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jmra wrote:

android wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote: I responded to your comment that no one was "swept" with a muzzle if the trigger was covered by the holster. This simply is not the case. When the muzzle points at a person, that person has been swept and that violates one of the cardinal gun safety rules.
Chas.

Well can disagree on this and Kathy disagrees with you too.

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We can argue till the cows come home about how safe this type of carry is, but for the vast majority of the public perception is reality. If it makes people on this forum (who have many more years experience handling firearms and teaching firearm safety than Kathy does) uncomfortable how do you think it's going to make the general public feel? That is a rhetorical question because we all already know the answer. The perception of the public is going to be "that gun is pointed right at me" and the people they say that to are going to be the people who are going to feel that they have no other choice than to ban OC from their establishment.
We always talk about how OC isn't a big deal other places and most people don't even notice. I agree with that when we are talking about a subdued OWB holster. Most people's eyes aren't focused on people's hands and waistline thus the firearm goes unnoticed. But a shoulder holster not only draws a lot more attention because it falls in most people's line of sight, it also draws attention to the firearm. Add a barrel pointing at you and you're asking for the sheep to panic which will only result in more limitations on where and how we can carry.
I know there are some that are going to say that if they don't like it they can move. My response to that is you are going to be the one moving - out the door. Unfortunately you are not the only one who will pay the price for your actions.

steveincowtown wrote:

Abraham wrote: However, if "Mr. Obnoxious Civilian - I don't care what you think, I'll sweep all I care to" I won't be keeping silent. No, I won't confront him - But I will speak to management if it happens while I'm in a business establishment.

His right to OC doesn't give him the right to sweep everyone behind him.

So be warned if you plan to wear OC a shoulder holster designed to sweep.

Why wouldn't you just talk to the person OCing/ your fellow man and license holder? License holders have a long history of being good people who commit fewer crimes than LEOs. I don't think when Jan. 1, 2016 hit they will act any differently.

android wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

android wrote:

OlBill wrote:RULE 2

BTW, covering the trigger may not be the end of the story. For striker-fired weapons it is, but not for hammer-fired handguns. Those handguns need to be secured with a strap that is between the hammer and firing pin because a sear an fail. I know, I had it happen.
Chas.

Yes, I understand what is a "safe holster" for some guns may not be for others. I hope everyone here is responsible enough to use a safe holster for the type of gun they carry and that they carry modern firearms that have passed the FBI drop test. To do otherwise is very irresponsible when "safe" guns are readily available. Why would you carry a handgun that will fire when dropped?

Do you ever expect the firearm on your belt to accidentally discharge while holstered in a safe holster? If so, why would you carry it?

I don't have a dog in the fight and I don't own a shoulder holster, but the only time a shoulder or appendix holster become "more dangerous" than any other holster is when the gun is being drawn.

I will acknowledge you have a much higher chance of shooting the person behind you, or your leg if you aren't careful vs. grazing your leg or shooting your foot which we know happens.

If you never know the person in front of you is wearing a shoulder holster because they're wearing a jacket do you feel unsafe or do you only feel unsafe when you can see the barrel? This seems to be more about "feelings" to me rather than whether you are really safe or not. That puts it into anti-gunner territory where facts are ignored.

Greybeard wrote:harrycallahan says "And for the record, if you're ever behind me and don't like .45 in my rig...move!"

Yep, and "for the record", that is exactly the type of "ethics" that will result in people moving allright - moving straight over to the customer service counter and asking to speak with the General Manager. Then us all seeing new 30.07 signs, possibly new 30.06 signs while they are at it. Not to mention, making it tougher, rather than easier, to get more prohibited locations removed in the 2017 session of the TX Legislature.

android wrote:

OlBill wrote:RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

No different than sitting with an appendix carry holster or tying my shoes with a gun on my side and passing my arm under the barrel.

OlBill wrote:RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

E.Marquez wrote:

Taypo wrote: Good work making the point for us.

" I'm gonna carry my gun however I like and screw everyone else, who cares about the image of OC folks."

Us??? Perhaps "us" is better left out of your statement as you and I do not hold the same opinion on this topic.

As I read from harrycallahan's post he plans on carrying his gun in a manner allowed by law, in a way that is comfortable and appropriate for him, in a manner not calculated to cause alarm. That you dislike that is fine, that you chastise him for it is no different than MDA members do to anyone with a gun. If that was not how you intended to be understood, outstanding, all I can say is that is how it came across to me

I would hope you would stand behind any citizen who elects to possess, carry, hold, concealed or openly carry a firearm in a manner allowed by law (that would include laws not just reference the carry method but disorderly conduct laws as well) I know I do

harrycallahan wrote:

jmra wrote:

bulinm wrote:

jmra wrote:IMHO anyone OCing in a shoulder holster is nothing more than an attention seeker. Hopefully we won't see much of this type of carry.

I wouldn't carry openly with a horizontal shoulder rig. I don't like to be swept with a gun muzzle, and wouldn't do it
to anyone else.

My S&W 60 rides well in a Galco Lite rig, and is very comfortable and accessible while driving, especially those long Texas
drives. If you see me at a gas pump wearing that rig, I'm not seeking attention, I'm just exercising my rights.

jmra, your beatdown, and name calling, of those who might choose to openly carry a handgun within the law is really
getting a little old.

I have nothing against OC or those who choose to do so. Nor have I called anyone names. I only hope that those who do choose to do so use wisdom. And thanks for the beat down.

You may or may not have anything against OC for only you know that. However, a lot of your comments regarding OC are in the negative and/or judgmental in nature. You may not like why or how someone decides to open carry but try and not be surprised if you're called on it. And for the record, if you're ever behind me and don't like .45 in my rig...move!

Greybeard wrote:Question: "Speaking of which, could someone please explain to me why a thigh rig is a better option than hip or shoulder?"

I have used drop rig mostly at hunting lease when carrying other "tools" (such as a bow) and/or when wearing heavy clothing. More comfortable with just an LC9 in it and easier to get to quickly if need - especially against rattlesnakes.

And I agree, mine too is attached to the belt as well as the thigh (typically as high as practical).

PBR wrote:

Greybeard wrote:"Only way I would probably openly carry would be with a drop leg / thigh holster."

I have one of those too - and like it. Used periodically with lightweight semi when at hunting lease. But ..... in the opinion of honcho lady from DPS at Instructor Conference a week or three ago, they would probably not meet the "belt holster" definition.

interesting I wonder how or who could give confirmation on it or not -- to me they would be more secure then typical clip belt holster and they do attach to a belt at the top

bulinm wrote:

jmra wrote:IMHO anyone OCing in a shoulder holster is nothing more than an attention seeker. Hopefully we won't see much of this type of carry.

I wouldn't carry openly with a horizontal shoulder rig. I don't like to be swept with a gun muzzle, and wouldn't do it
to anyone else.

My S&W 60 rides well in a Galco Lite rig, and is very comfortable and accessible while driving, especially those long Texas
drives. If you see me at a gas pump wearing that rig, I'm not seeking attention, I'm just exercising my rights.

jmra, your beatdown, and name calling, of those who might choose to openly carry a handgun within the law is really
getting a little old.