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EEllis wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

EEllis wrote:
It's not worthless but a pain compliance device. Batons are too light and skinny to do real damage to limbs that would make someone unable to function. For the most part this is by design as the older leaded wood batons can cause real physical damage and death at a much higher rate than modern batons.

My baton is not meant to "damage" or "kill," but it is very good for using against "meaty" targets, such as the thighs, biceps, calves, etc. It's not going to kill somebody, but an instant charlie horse to the thigh may get compliance through pain and discomfort. I would not exactly call it a tool of self defense.

Expandable Batons are also a pretty good fear compliant device. For some reason they scare the crap out of people. But the average asp hit across a muscle group doesn't cause enough trauma to cause a muscle spasm. A baton that is that heavy, that can be swung with enough force, is also a weapon that has a much greater chance of greater injury when used. everything is a trade off.

EEllis wrote:

MONGOOSE wrote:

Abraham wrote:An acquaintance, who is a Sheriffs Deputy, won't carry an ASP, but has great faith in a fixed length baton.

Another, a friend in a local PD filled me in on his use of an ASP and says he found it less than adequate for subduing...

Worthless

It's not worthless but a pain compliance device. Batons are too light and skinny to do real damage to limbs that would make someone unable to function. For the most part this is by design as the older leaded wood batons can cause real physical damage and death at a much higher rate than modern batons.

TVegas wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:I had to be certified to carry an ASP. I know that LEOs and certain licensed security guards can legally carry an ASP.

How did you get certified?

Jumping Frog wrote:

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Pretty sure that exemption is ONLY making it legal for CHL holders to carry a concealed handgun.

I understand some people have that belief, but that isn't what the letter of the law says. This has been discussed before in these forums.

There is a test case in Austin right now by a guy who chose to walk into the Capitol with an otherwise illegal knife, a handgun, and his CHL. He wanted to be a test case and he got his wish. I'll be interested in seeing the outcome.