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by Bitter Clinger
Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:37 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: AR Pistol vs AR SBR - Which Is The Best Choice?
Replies: 34
Views: 25351

Re: AR Pistol vs AR SBR - Which Is The Best Choice?

This whole discussion got me curious about what the ballistics calcs might say about the 7.5" bbl since I now own 2 and I have shot them out to 100 yds consistently, but how much energy are they carrying?

So, I went to the Hornady site 'cause they have a simple, easy to use on-line calculator and decided - arbitrarily - that a 124 grain 9mm at 25 yds would be my benchmark for energy imparted into the target.

I am going to round the numbers because they are all very rough estimates anyway but at 25 yds a 124 gr 9mm traveling at around 1050 or a little faster (subsonic) imparts around 300 ft-lbs into the target.

I then decided to be conservative and assume that for the 5.56 we would loose 50 fps for every inch of bbl decrease. So for a 16" bbl we can deliver that same approx 300 ft-lbs of energy using a 55 gr bullet at somewhere around 475 yds and the bullet remains in the supersonic range.

For the 7.5" bbl, again using the same 50 fps loss per inch and the same 55 gr bullet we deliver that 300 ft-lbs at around 325 yds and again, remain supersonic.

As I stated , these are very inexact numbers and suitable only to provide a relative comparison. So you just need to decide if the loss in performance is justified given other relative advantages of the very short barrel. For my purposes, the pistol provides an excellent CQB solution, but I am also not a very big guy. Some of you could probably hump a 12 lb, 20" bbl .308 as easily as I can handle the AR pistol :mrgreen:
by Bitter Clinger
Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:46 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: AR Pistol vs AR SBR - Which Is The Best Choice?
Replies: 34
Views: 25351

Re: AR Pistol vs AR SBR - Which Is The Best Choice?

LSUTiger wrote:Yes, the NFA and Hughes amendment are ridiculous, arbitrary, only hinder the law abiding citizen and do nothing to stop crime, are contrary to the 2A :rules: and should be abolished along with I dare say the ATF itself. :smash:

Ok, got that out of the way.

After much thought, in light of ATF 41F, I've finally decided to give in to the temptation and SBR my 5.56 AR pistol before it becomes necessary to provide photos and finger prints. I got my eform 1 in the process before July 13 and now to sit back and wait.

With the proper use of a sling you can can get very good results with an AR pistol, but IMHO it takes a little more training and practice to achieve.

However, for HD applications and the added benefits of using SBR .300 Blackout upper, any diminished performance of the 5.56 is acceptable and the stock should prove much more beneficial under stress. The added versatility of the SBR route offers in the .300 gives you many options. Now I need to get a .300 upper to complement the 5.56.

I know, I know, it's not legal to shoulder a pistol but stuff happens in the heat of battle and it might be effective for some but in my case the extra 2-3 inches needed to be able to simultaneously get a comfortable check rest and be able to shoulder the firearm made all the difference, hence the benefit to SBR. After shooting a few SBR's, I was convinced.

Well,if I wasn't on any government list before, I am now! But now that I am in the NFA club, well should be in 3-4 months, I can hold my head up high when all the other NFA guys show up to the range with their toys. :coolgleamA:

I plan to build another pistol so I don't have to worry about NFA restrictions. IMHO, owning both SBR and pistol, 5.56 &.300 is the way to go give you the most options. Depending on application, open carry/conceal carry, firearm accessibility and travel you can decide what configuration works best for you.
:iagree: Just obtained a 2nd pistol, am SBR'ing the first before the 13 July deadline. Now I need more ammo!!!! :fire :fire :fire

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