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Lena wrote:Per reading all here I will ask 1 question I if reading correctly thing so that the speaking area for the Pres & VP are a separate no go area from the regular exhibits and booths, am I correct in that per the members here?.

Pawpaw wrote:Yes, quite some time ago.

Look, this isn't rocket science... Go here: https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/8137229/n ... anguage=en

The bold text tells you the forum (scheduled for the 4th) is off limits.

Scroll down and you can see that the forum is in the arena.

Ergo, the arena is off limits during the forum.

Now, was that hard?

GhostTX wrote:I'm only dismayed by the fact that as a carrier, I have to be disarmed either then entire time at the convention, or leave the firearm in the vehicle for the speaking event. The folks going via the Mugger Mover (DART), don't have such an option.

Be funny if they had a good ol' gun-check, like the days of old.

Grundy1133 wrote:

Flightmare wrote:

Grundy1133 wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:

Grundy1133 wrote:They either need to post 30.07 signs on their buses

They would if they could but they can't.

SoccerDad, I am not saying the NRA is powerless but let's look at the gravity of the situation. Both the VP and President are coming to speak in person to the NRA meeting. Why would the NRA shoot themselves in the foot politically (again) and turn them away? They wouldn't and they shouldn't.

I think the whole thing is stupid... Attending the largest gun convention in the country and then strip law abiding citizens so you can speak at the event. I'd rather they stay in the white house and speak from there and have them televise it on NRATV... At least that way they wouldn't look like such hypocrites. I understand the whole secret service laws and stuff but it doesn't make them look any less like hypocrites imo...

The press would spin things in that scenario as they would just say that even POTUS or VPOTUS didn't want to be around the guns. It really is a no-win scenario when dealing with the MSM. I still plan to go. I still plan to look around at all the vendor booths, possibly get some autographs from a few 2a celebrities. Perhaps even meet up with some forum members I have yet to meet, and hang out with some I've had breakfast with before.

Yea but in that situation would you rather the MSM say "POTUS and VP don't want to atend NRA becuase of guns" or "POTUS ban guns when speaking at NRA convention" i guess either scenario isn't favorable....

BBYC wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:[Both the VP and President are coming to speak in person to the NRA meeting. Why would the NRA shoot themselves in the foot politically (again) and turn them away? They wouldn't and they shouldn't.

Remind me again what Trump has done for gun rights as POTUS, other than attack (currenty) legal accessories?

Grundy1133 wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:

Grundy1133 wrote:They either need to post 30.07 signs on their buses

They would if they could but they can't.

SoccerDad, I am not saying the NRA is powerless but let's look at the gravity of the situation. Both the VP and President are coming to speak in person to the NRA meeting. Why would the NRA shoot themselves in the foot politically (again) and turn them away? They wouldn't and they shouldn't.

I think the whole thing is stupid... Attending the largest gun convention in the country and then strip law abiding citizens so you can speak at the event. I'd rather they stay in the white house and speak from there and have them televise it on NRATV... At least that way they wouldn't look like such hypocrites. I understand the whole secret service laws and stuff but it doesn't make them look any less like hypocrites imo...

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
It is illegal. You can't call the police just because you think they fit a profile. Should I call the police when I see a high school aged kid on a DART bus? After all, recent shootings have been done by high school aged folks. Maybe those two teenage boys are getting ready to go on a rampage. Same thing for members of ethnic groups that have a higher chance of committing crimes.

If DART is not publicly owned, then they should post 30.07 signs or just give verbal notice to anyone OC'ing.

Grundy1133 wrote: I feel like that should be against the law... They either need to post 30.07 signs on their buses/mention it on their website or not make a fuss about it at all instead of being like "if someone feels uncomfortable we'll call the cops on you for exercising your 2nd amendment right as a law abiding US citizen."

strogg wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

strogg wrote:Sheesh this turned crazy. I'm not going to fuel any fires here by airing my sentiment and opinion on the matter, but I will say this: If the NRA knows what the firearms policy is for Friday, they absolutely need to let everyone know. If they don't know it because the Secret Service is being all stupid about it (I wouldn't be surprised), they need to let everyone know THAT. Either way, the NRA being mum on the issue is making them look very bad, and it's only going to make the anti-NRA case stronger on both sides of the aisle.

The Secret Service notice specifically states the "Arena"... think about it, if it was going to include the exhibit halls, then the vendors would have to clear out as well. Can't have any of those off limit items in the area, and that would include any being sold by vendors.

https://www.nraam.org/media/2612/am2018 ... notice.pdf

Yes, we know that the arena is definitely off limits, and I would *assume* that the rest of the area is OK. Again, it's an assumption. I've learned many times in the past, don't assume anything. There was confusion in the air, and the NRA did NOT do anything to clear it up. That only caused negative publicity to go their way, as if recent events haven't already done enough damage.

twomillenium wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

twomillenium wrote:The powers that be could have arranged that the POTUS and Vice POTUS, do their speeches from a secure location and posted live on screen. I realize it is not the NRA that has control over what happens during in person participation of POTUS and VPOTUS. It is the confusion that was allowed to continue until the last minute, this includes the disrespect shown by the City of Dallas. Meanwhile I will be enjoying myself without confusion, unless the umpires go to sleep during the games.

What confusion? The policy has been posted for days! The only confusion was from people not reading what was posted. What disrespect by the city of Dallas? And having the POTUS and VPOTUS speak from a remote location does not make nearly the impact that having them come in person does!

Right, for days and questions have been asked for months. Just like Dallas leadership considered canceling NRA convention before they realized it would start a law suit they could not win.

twomillenium wrote:The powers that be could have arranged that the POTUS and Vice POTUS, do their speeches from a secure location and posted live on screen. I realize it is not the NRA that has control over what happens during in person participation of POTUS and VPOTUS. It is the confusion that was allowed to continue until the last minute, this includes the disrespect shown by the City of Dallas. Meanwhile I will be enjoying myself without confusion, unless the umpires go to sleep during the games.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

fstfrd00 wrote:https://www.nraam.org/events/2018-event ... hip-forum/

"* Due to the attendance of the Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance. Click here for additional information. "

I guess I will not be making the trip to Dallas after all.

strogg wrote:Sheesh this turned crazy. I'm not going to fuel any fires here by airing my sentiment and opinion on the matter, but I will say this: If the NRA knows what the firearms policy is for Friday, they absolutely need to let everyone know. If they don't know it because the Secret Service is being all stupid about it (I wouldn't be surprised), they need to let everyone know THAT. Either way, the NRA being mum on the issue is making them look very bad, and it's only going to make the anti-NRA case stronger on both sides of the aisle.