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jkurtz wrote:
I don't believe anyone thinks the OP was rude or obnoxious for objecting to the question. Rather, people find the way he objected to it as being rude and obnoxious. While the OP may not be meek for arguing, choosing to berate what was likely a teenage kid making less than $10/hr certainly doesn't make him any sort of role model either. He could have easily expressed his displeasure by leaving quietly and contacting the general or regional manager over email.

The company has every right to ask. You have every right to object and shop elsewhere if you choose.

I do not agree with the questioning, but I certainly would not have thrown a tantrum like the OP did. He did nothing to prove he was right or morally superior. He made as all look bad. A grown man with a gun picking a fight with a retail cashier over something way beyond his control. That it certainly not the image we should strive to portray as responsible armed citizens.

Abraham wrote:Alright, one last parting insight I just realize when seeing this: "I'll leave it here and let you folks that are dead set being rude and obnoxious is ok..."

The individual is rude and obnoxious for objecting to intrusive questions?

Interesting perspective and to me a weak one.

The retailer is completely innocuous, gets a pass for asking intrusive questions they've no right to ask, because they are supported (without objection) by the meek...? Hey, as long as you don't object, you'll be ok, right...?

Do these type questions even vaguely remind any of you of a time gone bye...? Are you really that naive?

I don't ignore the ramifications of being questioned by those who've no right to ask certain questions they've no right to ask.

I'm not one to be meek and say: "It's no big deal, they want to help me that's why they're asking, honest.

Don't be rude, just answer the question.

Yeah, sure!

txglock21 wrote:If I can interrupt y'alls lively discussion to ask one question, how is this (Dick's asking the citizen question) stopping an illegal from buying ammo? All they have to do is lie! There is no federal penalty like the form you fill out to buy a gun by hitting a yes or no button on a store machine. Just like giving a made up phone number when asked by a Northern Tool cashier. Back to the fight....

Abraham wrote:
As for the constant drum beat regarding the so-called yelling at the retailer is just another opinion - of yours.

The OP said he was forceful, not rude and much like I pointed out earlier, being forceful doesn't necessarily equate to being rude, but you choose to think it so. Your opinion.

Abraham wrote:cyphertext,

The OP cleared that up.

He said he wasn't rude, but forceful.

There's a difference.

I think the vast majority of us on this forum aren't Casper Milquetoast's either. We aren't the meek.
We aren't not rude either.

There's a difference.

Standing up for yourself is too much for some, I get it...



Some of us simply won't tolerate being mistreated in any manner, shape or form. We won't simply over, but if you find doing so best suits you, ok...

Abraham wrote:cyphertext,

I think you have me confused with someone else...you keep banging about yelling, but if mentioning such makes you feel better, continue on old chap...

Abraham wrote: TEX,

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Their obnoxious question is absolutely out of line.

If more customers acted like you did when asked such questions those particular questions would stop...

When it's really not that big a deal, sure, I'll go along to get along and keep quiet, but their is a line that when crossed I'll forcefully speak up. I'm glad you did.

Abraham wrote:"But if you don't like the terms of the transaction, then don't go through with it and take your money elsewhere..." odd, I do think I said I'd take my greenbacks elsewhere...eh?

"Nice try but it's obvious you have no clue how the merchant services systems work."

There's no nice try, there's pointing out the practice of asking this intrusive question is so rare that I've no knowledge of it being used at any other retailer that sells ammo and accepts credit cards for payment.

You that meekly accept and answer questions regarding your citizenship status by a retailer seem to not appreciate how autocratic a question it is.

Retailers don't have the authority to question my citizenship status, irrespective of who they point to as the source of the question.

If you think I'm being overly sensitive to having my citizenship questioned by a retailer, my response is your perspective is spiritless...

I think about people who question in their turn, 'nothing', for fear of being thought uncooperative. When if fact, they have every right to question the questioner...

If they don't stand up for themselves, who will?

Given the tameness of many, I wonder if there's any line they'd draw when it comes to being asked inappropriate questions.

Oh dear, I don't want to offend, so yes, ask me any question, all questions, I'll answer and I'll do so promptly...gulp.

Abraham wrote:There are lots of options out there.

One would be to not to give my business to Dicks, especially given I've never been asked this obnoxious question by any other ammo seller and my original list isn't complete with just Walmart, Cabelas, and SGA. It also includes Academy, Marburgers, and many other retailers that sell ammo.

Blaming the credit card or bank they (Dicks) do business with reminds of businesses who claim they HAD to put up a 30.06 sign due to their insurance company.

Yeah, sure...

When businesses start in with ye olde "it's really not me asking, it's 'fill in the blank' with blaming some other entity" it's not us, really, it's not us asking, we wouldn't ever ask such a question, but ya know, it's federal law, doncha know, blah, blah, blah, I just shake my head and go elsewhere with my greenbacks...

TEX wrote:Appreciate the comments, but I think about 70% of you kind of missed the point. The clerk flat out lied to me - through ignorance or misinformation it doesn't matter. When he lied to me he wasn't doing his job. If he was doing his job he would have said "it always asks that but I am not sure why, and I can understand it might offend some people - would you like me to get a manager and see if we can get around it".