You do realize how long we have had CC in Texas, right? And we have had signage requirements since the inception. The signage requirements are a compromise. We honor the businesses right to prohibit carry, however to do so they have to post a sign meeting certain specifications. This is to protect the license holder. If you want to make it where the sign has no weight of law, then I might agree with you... but as long as I can face a penalty for missing a sign, I want it to be large and identical, anywhere I go.Bitterclinger wrote:cyphertext wrote:Bitterclinger wrote:Mr. Cotton, I'm not sure how you were able to misconstrue anything I posted into something that would warrant your harsh and insulting comparison of me to the tyrant Bloomberg. If you would care to elaborate on the point in my post where you became confused, I would be happy to correct your misunderstanding. I have reviewed this post, as well as my previous posts and I can not for the life of me understand what I did to provoke such an attack on my character. I am deeply offend by your calumny, and in a bygone era, I would be compelled to visit your countenance with the back of my glove.Charles L. Cotton wrote:That's up to you, but since the other bitterclinger has posted something that only Bloomberg could love, you may want to change your username. When I read the OP's post, I thought it was you and wondered what in the world had gotten into you!Bitter Clinger wrote:The two "Bitter Clingers" are completely independent of one another as wellTexasTornado wrote:The two signs are completely independent of one another. 30.06 only covers concealed carry while 30.07 only covers open.adl713 wrote:Question:
If there is only a valid 30.06 sign posted, is open carry still permissible on the premises? Going further, by not posting a valid 30.07 sign has the owner invalidated their 30.06 signage?
If the 30.06 is the only one posted, legally you may open carry on the premises; however, more than likely you will be given a verbal notice that carry is not permitted.
In the interest of full disclosure, the OP did register the name before I did, and I did not search to see if there was anyone who had already claimed it. I will leave it up to the moderators to tell me if there is a need for me to change my handle.
Chas.cyphertext wrote:I'm not Mr. Cotton, but I'll take a stab at this...Bitterclinger wrote:Not to mention the fact that both signs are the same kind of defacto waste of space as software EULAs which are invariably read and observed by absolutely no one.Fist off, no. I'm stating nothing of the kind. I'm not even implying that by any stretch of the imagination. I'm only saying that the wording and presentation of the sign is similar to the End User Licens Agreements (EULA) that we all click on without (be honest) reading. Personally, I just look for the number 30.06.cyphertext wrote:With this statement, you are stating that CHLers don't abide by the law. There is a whole website dedicated to reporting locations with 30.06 and 30.07 signs so that folks with CHLs know to avoid these businesses when carrying (or just plain avoid)... so someone is reading them.
Bitterclinger wrote:They subject business owners to unnecessary controversy and expense, to say nothing of the legal implications if they fail to post the proper sign.Again, no. I'm far less worried about that, but I am somewhat worried about it from a public perception standpoint. I hope to one day see the whole CCL buracracy replaced by "constitutional carry," and if the business world is constantly subjected to gun-rights compliance issues, I worry that they will not look favorably on that end. I doubt Bloomberg shares my concerns on this or any other position.cyphertext wrote:Here, you worry more about the expense to a business owner more than the 2A right of the people.
Bitterclinger wrote:This may also represent my misunderstanding of the situation, but the signs mean practically nothing to non CHL holders who could get the same warm-fuzzy from a gun-buster sign. We are the only people for whom it makes any legal difference, so couldn't we get by with something like an unobtrusive state seal with a simple 30.06 or 30.07 on it?This is exactly my point! As a CHL holder, I KNOW THAT A BUSINESS CAN PROHIBIT CARRY. We all went to a lengthy and expensive class and paid a tax, so we should all know that. Why not allow a business to post a more discreet sign that WE are responsible to observe, but does not a) require entrepreneurs to follow convoluted compliance requirements, and b) advertise to the world that the entrapurner has elected to create an ostensibly "gun free" zone where only criminals will have firearms? If I expect people to honor my rights, I must be willing to honor thiers, even in the case of companines who want to prohibit guns. They have a right to do so, and me trying to make it hard on them might cause unnecessary blow-back.cyphertext wrote:The signs are not there for non CHL holders...
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- Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:05 am
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Re: Why two signs?
- Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:22 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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Re: Why two signs?
I'm not Mr. Cotton, but I'll take a stab at this...Bitterclinger wrote:Mr. Cotton, I'm not sure how you were able to misconstrue anything I posted into something that would warrant your harsh and insulting comparison of me to the tyrant Bloomberg. If you would care to elaborate on the point in my post where you became confused, I would be happy to correct your misunderstanding. I have reviewed this post, as well as my previous posts and I can not for the life of me understand what I did to provoke such an attack on my character. I am deeply offend by your calumny, and in a bygone era, I would be compelled to visit your countenance with the back of my glove.Charles L. Cotton wrote:That's up to you, but since the other bitterclinger has posted something that only Bloomberg could love, you may want to change your username. When I read the OP's post, I thought it was you and wondered what in the world had gotten into you!Bitter Clinger wrote:The two "Bitter Clingers" are completely independent of one another as wellTexasTornado wrote:The two signs are completely independent of one another. 30.06 only covers concealed carry while 30.07 only covers open.adl713 wrote:Question:
If there is only a valid 30.06 sign posted, is open carry still permissible on the premises? Going further, by not posting a valid 30.07 sign has the owner invalidated their 30.06 signage?
If the 30.06 is the only one posted, legally you may open carry on the premises; however, more than likely you will be given a verbal notice that carry is not permitted.
In the interest of full disclosure, the OP did register the name before I did, and I did not search to see if there was anyone who had already claimed it. I will leave it up to the moderators to tell me if there is a need for me to change my handle.
Chas.
With this statement, you are stating that CHLers don't abide by the law. There is a whole website dedicated to reporting locations with 30.06 and 30.07 signs so that folks with CHLs know to avoid these businesses when carrying (or just plain avoid)... so someone is reading them.Bitterclinger wrote:Not to mention the fact that both signs are the same kind of defacto waste of space as software EULAs which are invariably read and observed by absolutely no one.
Here, you worry more about the expense to a business owner more than the 2A right of the people.Bitterclinger wrote:They subject business owners to unnecessary controversy and expense, to say nothing of the legal implications if they fail to post the proper sign.
The signs are not there for non CHL holders... and they are supposed to be large to insure that you do not inadvertently walk past one. The law recently changed to make carrying in a place that is legally posted a class C misdemeanor, but previously it was a class A, which would result in the loss of your license.Bitterclinger wrote:This may also represent my misunderstanding of the situation, but the signs mean practically nothing to non CHL holders who could get the same warm-fuzzy from a gun-buster sign. We are the only people for whom it makes any legal difference, so couldn't we get by with something like an unobtrusive state seal with a simple 30.06 or 30.07 on it?