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maverick2076 wrote:
You apparently have zero clue what you are talking about. You should probably try to educate yourself a little bit before you run off at the mouth again.

The COC is, first and foremost, a motorcyclist rights advocacy group. COC dues go to help fund safety awareness campaigns like the Share the Road campaign here in Texas, as well as political advocacy against things like Motorcycle only checkpoints and other motorcycle rights issues.

You're naïve to think that the Banditos are funding the "Share the Road" campaign. That's from TxDOT. I'm in media advertising and have worked on the account. It's funded by TxDOT through grants and can be easily researched on the internet as well. They may spend some COC money on attorneys and lobbying, but they aren't paying for advertising campaigns.

carlson1 wrote:In my other life I have the wonderful experience of dealing with the Bandido's twice. It was not very pleasant. I have had a lot of contact in the 80's with the Cossacks in Smith and Wood County. I have never had a good experience with them whatsoever. I am sure there are some good folks who are members of the Bandido's and Cossacks just like there are good folks who join the Crips and the Bloods.

Carl, you made me spit out my drink with that last line!

That's what I keep thinking when I'm reading people talking about these not being bad guys. Yeah, maybe they haven't slit *your* throat (yet), but I bet you won't tell them off either.

maverick2076 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:I learned also that Bandidos got irritated by Cossacks wanting to ally with Hells.A. an fight on Texas turf

This is probably a lot closer to the truth than the $10k per month per Chapter nonsense. This and the Texas rocker. The Bandidos take the Texas rocker very seriously, as does any other Club that claims a state. There have been rumblings of HA wanting to move into TX for a long time, and about links between them and the Cossacks.

MCs, RCs, MAs and MMs that are part of the Confederation of Clubs pay $10 per member per year as dues to the COC. How that morphed into $10K per month per chapter I will not understand. And that money goes to the COC, not directly to the Bandidos.

Absurd. Grown men playing stupid kid games with real weapons and people are trying to justify it. Vest should say "My dad never taught me better".

ShootDontTalk wrote:I agree. My point is that if you run with people who do that, you shouldn't be surprised if/when things go south.

Been my point as well all along.

stroo wrote:Question: How many of you would have intervened with your gun if you had been in Twin Peaks and saw the fighting/shooting develop?

Or would you have chosen to either get out of the way or be a good witness?

I take door number 3- see what's going in and not eat there

Keith B wrote:

SkipB wrote:It looks like we may have a little break in the weather so I think I'll hook up the boat and head out to a lake for a few days of fishing. I'll leave all this stuff to those that have already figured it all out in their pretty little brains.

So, why go to the lake? You can probably do just as well in a lot of the parking lots around the area.

Now that's accurate!

SkipB wrote:It looks like we may have a little break in the weather so I think I'll hook up the boat and head out to a lake for a few days of fishing. I'll leave all this stuff to those that have already figured it all out in their pretty little brains.

VMI77-

I appreciate your questioning of what is right and wrong in the sense of how our justice system acts or who they go after. That's a great trait and I do it much of the time as well.

In this particular case we are dealing with gang members. Did every person on-site at Twin Peaks in Waco shoot someone or carry an illegal weapon? No.

Each of these individuals that are members by choice of a 1% MC did in fact choose to be part of a criminal enterprise. A violent one at that. Maybe they got into it for their love of the two-wheeled ride at first and made some friends, but by the time they made full membership they knew exactly what they were getting into.

I've known some of these guys myself over the years. I worked with them and had somewhat of a friendship. I rode and worked on motorcycles with them on occasion. Every last one of them knew what was going on, as did I. I was young and dumb. Heck, I had their leader do electric work at my parents house and my mom loved him. He was a nice guy in those circumstances and a great electrician.

I never asked to be a member and they knew I had no interest. I was only around a few at a time and would never have gone to a rally with them. I knew better, I kept my distance.

Every last one of them were criminals. I came to learn over time that several had committed murder and various other violent crimes. Even if they didn't have a serious past, they would have had no problem doing something very wrong if needed.

I lost one of my best friends to that gang. He ended up with a 40 year federal sentence, which ended up being commuted to 4 years on a technicality. He was a differnt person before he met them and ended up doing things I could never imagine.

I can't get over people feeling sorry for these individuals. Every last member of one of the 1% MCs knew exactly what they were getting into and what the possibilities of being at Twin Peaks that day was.

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So each guy arrested had more than 5 weapons on him?

On average, yes. Are you disputing what was booked into evidence?

This article http://www.newsmax.com/US/thousands-wea ... id/645752/ says 1,000 "including firearms and knives." Including of course, the dreaded AK-47. So what are we calling weapons here, since obviously, they weren't all guns and knives. Brass knuckles and chains? I don't think you're going to hang intent to commit murder on a guy with brass knuckles. Five weapons per person...really? Weapons in potato chip bags. With that these guys look like something out of a bad movie script.

I can legally walk down the street with a handgun, an AK-47, or a legal knife. Brass knuckles are illegal. You're not doing a good job of making your point.

I don't get your remark about the four guys being charged with murder since you follow it by saying you don't believe all will be so charged or convicted. Obviously this situation is not the same as four guys robbing a liquor store that ends up with one killing the cashier and all being charged with murder. Here, from the same article, is what an ex-DA says:

"A $1 million bail for 170 people is ludicrous on its face," said former Galveston County Assistant District Attorney Michael Haskell said.

Under our legal system it doesn't matter how good or bad they are. They either committed a crime and there is evidence that will convict them in a court of law or there isn't.

He's also now a defense attorney, you would expect him to say that.

How are the groups not associated? They were there to conspire to commit criminal activity. They are voluntarily part of the same group or club, as evidenced by the vests. They knew the potential for violence - if they didn't they are too dumb to be operating a motor vehicle. Violence occurred, resulting in the murder of several individuals. Therefore, all are part of a group and responsible for the deaths.

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Would you guys be saying the same things about some of them being good guys if it was the Crips and Bloods that shot it out in a busy shopping center?

I'm not saying any of them are good guys, I'm merely advocating following the law. The government doesn't get to decide who are good guys and who are bad guys and apply the law one way to the good and one way to the bad. The law is supposed to apply to everyone. There is either probable cause for an arrest or there isn't.

They've booked over a thousand, A THOUSAND, weapons into evidence. Probably just a few bad apples that brought all of that in.

Where did they find weapons...Hidden in bags of chips, flour, crammed in toilets. That's what law abiding citizens do. I know I hide my EDC in a toilet every time I go out to eat.

These were not good guys.

Also, if four guys are together to cause trouble and one unexpectedly murders someone, all of them are charged with murder.

If they were there to meet about criminal activities and mass murder happens, all are guilty by association. I'm not saying all will be charged or convicted, but there is PC to hold/charge them all currently.

Oldgringo wrote:
My Momma, bless her heart, told me that you are known by the company you keep.....and she was right. 'Nuff said...

^^^This^^^

Target1911 wrote:Oh....and one of the Cossacks killed is an AA pilot

Criminal? Yeah...OK

You do realize that people of all professions have been criminals, right?

VMI77 wrote:Booking photos:


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-2 ... t-mugshots

170 photos and not a single smile!

Oldgringo wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

koine2002 wrote:
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I'm not quite sure where you pull this from, but it's complete and utter hogwash. Five minutes of research on the internet will prove the case.

All of the Patels in the world are about as related as all of the Smiths.

India still embraces a caste system and Patel is a caste name or so I've been told by a Patel. Lookee here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A caste does not a family make.

koine2002 wrote:
The Patel family is a very wealthy and influential family in India. Many of the Patels you find here in the US are in that family--especially if they are business owners. The Patels are also heavily vested in the BJP and their front, the RSS. The BJP is a Hindu nationalist political party and the RSS is a front that engages in a lot of extortion and persecution of non-Hindus in India--especially Christians. While there is no traceable connection between the two (BJP and RSS), it is common knowledge in India that they are associated. The current PM of India (and the majority in Parliament), Modi, is BJP. BJP is responsible for it being a crime punishable by 5 years imprisonment in Maharashtra state to slaughter any bovine--regardless of your religious convictions.

I wouldn't put it past someone who is in bed with the RSS to be involved with biker gangs. Whether that is true of this Patel, or not, I don't know.

I'm not quite sure where you pull this from, but it's complete and utter hogwash. Five minutes of research on the internet will prove the case.

All of the Patels in the world are about as related as all of the Smiths.