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anygunanywhere wrote:

jmra wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

txglock21 wrote:

TexasVet wrote:

suthdj wrote:Not to highjack but can somebody explain "Condition 1" and "Condition 4" I never heard it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper


Condition Four: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.

Why would anyone carry "condition four"? You might as well just carry a rock or a hammer.

The OP had it in a range bag in condition 4. Condition 1 in a range bag would be stupid.

I guess that is an opinion because I don't see it that way.

Taking a hot pistol or two to the firing line in a range bag might not be proper etiquette. Most ranges want bolts open and chambers empty. YMMV.

I guess I live a sheltered life.

What condition is the gun in if it doesn't have a hammer?

Or doesn't have a safety?

A glock
(or any other gun) without external safety and that is striker fired is considered condition one with a full mag and one in the chamber.

carlson1 wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.

Correct, I had a loaded weapon in the console and the others were in my range bag in the back seat w/ rifle in the trunk. No reason to have all loaded.

All of mine are always loaded because firearms are always loaded.

Touché.

I treat them all as if they are loaded, but in actuality three of them were not.

AlaskanInTexas wrote:

joe817 wrote:Those are the stories I like to hear! Thanks for sharing!

I prefer not to hear stories about people breaking the law and driving unsafely, putting their own tardiness above the welfare of innocent people, and then having the police do nothing about it. But glad the interaction vis a vis the firearms was professional and went well.

Let me be clear, it is a 4 lane highway (each direction) and hardly anyone else was around. I'd say the average speed of the others was around 75. It shouldn't be posted as a 60.

That having been said, I've been pulled over only one time in ten years other than this and haven't had a wreck in 20+. I drive safely on a regular basis.

mojo84 wrote:I suspect many may transport weapons (rifles, pistols and shotguns) in condition 4. I know I do when I'm headed to and from hunting or shooting range.

Correct, I had a loaded weapon in the console and the others were in my range bag in the back seat w/ rifle in the trunk. No reason to have all loaded.

So, I took a couple of days off and had a four day weekend. The wife and I went to a B&B in Oklahoma Thursday for a night and while heading back home the first stop happened:

About 11am Friday... We were maybe 5 minutes or so south of Lake Texoma on 377 when I passed a State Trooper going the opposite way. He pulled a U-Turn and I couldn't imagine he was pulling me over. We were in a 65 and I know I wasn't even at 70. Sure enough he stopped us. Hands on wheel, produced DL, CHL, Insurance. Long story short, he was very nice and gave me a written warning for "speed over 65" and no front plate. He never did say what he clocked me at though.

The second one was the best...

Saturday was my birthday and my wife and I decided to take Tactical Carbine 1 class at the range we go to. It's a little over an hour out of town and we woke up late. Guzzled some coffee, got dressed, grabbed equipment and hit the road. GPS said I'd be there about 9:10 for the class that started at 9:00. I was determined not to be late. Little traffic, we were speeding to make up some time.

Going 80-83 in a 60 zone and GPS is now putting us just 2-3 minutes late. Headed over Lake Ray Hubbard on 30 and see a cop in a stopped trap at the end. Hit the brakes, but knew he'd already got me. He pulled out and we pulled over. Same drill - hands on dash, wife handed me DL, CHL, Insurance. What happened next was the amazing part:

I said "Good morning, Officer" as he approached and handed him my items. Hands then back on the wheel.

After seeing my CHL-

Officer: "Are you carrying today?"

Me: "Yes, Sir."

Officer: "Without reaching for it, please let me know where it is."

Me: "Sir, there is a condition 1 handgun in the console to my right. Do you see the range bag behind me? There are two condition 4 handguns zipped in the bag. There is also a condition 4 AR-15 in the trunk, Sir."

Officer: "OK. (slight smile) I clocked you at 82 in a 60 back there, is there a reason you were going so fast?"

I knew I was popped on this one, so I just came right out with it...

Me: "Well, to be frank, Officer - my wife is taking me to a tactical firearms course for my birthday and we woke up just a little late. It starts at 9 and I was trying to make up time."

Officer: (Looks in the car, smiles then just chuckles) "OK Sir, I'm going to run your info and then I'll have you right on your way this morning."

He went to his car for a maximum of 30-45 seconds. Came back to my window and handed me my items. He said "Have a good day sir, have fun out there" and sent us on our way. No ticket, didn't even tell me to slow down. Awesome.