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Thank you I will probably go for a WASR 10/63 or an N-PAP, and see if i can get a stamped to lighten the load.

In terms of price point sub 1500 is fine with me.

When I was growing up my grandfather used to bring an old SKS with him when we went camping, and it was cheap rifle that worked even through the punishment of years of backpacking. (I've seen it fall into rocks, stuck in the mud, accidentally dropped in a river...exct) I'm basically looking to for a modern day of this gun that's going to last. I don't mind spending some money but I guess I have the cheap n dirty but works mentality. I don't know if this is true for AK's though.

First off finally got my CHL ... only took DPS 4 months.

Anyway I'm in the market to buy a reliable rifle for when I go camping/backpacking. Please someone feel free to call me an idiot if I am way off track on this but I'm thinking more like an AR, AK, SKS type gun so I have a good reliable self defense gun and the ability to kill medium sized animals.

So here are my thoughts based on a few hours of browsing online:

I am thinking AK. Yes I loose some accuracy and style +little heavier but if I'm going camping or backpacking with it, its going to get wet, set in the mud, and lets face it generally treated like crap and I still want it to fire. Plus I get 7.62 cal so I have serious stopping power for self defense and the ability to kill medium/small size animals if I'm in a pinch for food.

The question then really becomes what kind of AK. Stamped or milled? What manufacture? It seems like every website is promoting there one brand of AK as the best. Anyone have some experience / slightly less bias thoughts?

Thanks for any help in advance ;)