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by Glockster
Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:40 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"
Replies: 66
Views: 23572

Re: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"

Skiprr wrote:
Glockster wrote:I think that therein is the difference in that you're reading "not operate" differently than the FAA intended, according to the FAA.
I'm not reading or interpreting anything. I just posted the link and a couple of quotations from the summary.

If you already knew the link--since you are obviously intimately familiar with the subject--why not just post it yourself and provide the interpretation you already had rather asking for a reference and having other members try to help by Googling it?

The FAA document as updated June 2016 is 152 pages long. I don't own a drone, have no interest in owning a drone, and thus have no intention of reading all 152 pages or searching for any nuanced interpretations.
Understand.

I only had what I had. I asked for any specific source because like with much of what the government does I thought that something else had come out since I spoke with them months ago. Like with gun issues here most drone owners have to rely on other drone owners because that full set of rules is painful. If there was something new I would have been very greatful for having someone pointing it out to me. That was why I asked.
by Glockster
Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:14 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"
Replies: 66
Views: 23572

Re: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"

Skiprr wrote:
G.A. Heath wrote:
Glockster wrote:What is the reference for your "can not fly over people" restriction? I'm unaware of that general restriction so having it would be helpful.
It's part of the FAA rules passed by executive fiat around this time last year IIRC.
Yep; right you are. https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... ft-systems; the "Summary of the Major Provisions" does a good job of highlighting the regulations.
• Small unmanned aircraft may not operate over any persons not directly participating in the operation, not under a covered structure, and not inside a covered stationary vehicle.
Other interesting points about operations:
• Visual line-of-sight (VLOS) only; the unmanned aircraft must remain within VLOS of the remote pilot in command and the person manipulating the flight controls of the small UAS. Alternatively, the unmanned aircraft must remain within VLOS of the visual observer.

• Daylight-only operations, or civil twilight (30 minutes before official sunrise to 30 minutes after official sunset, local time) with appropriate anti-collision lighting.

• No careless or reckless operations.
I think that therein is the difference in that you're reading "not operate" differently than the FAA intended, according to the FAA.

I've had my drone license since June and when the rules became effective in August, I directly asked the FAA office in charge of drone regulations about this point. I was referred to the joint operational safety site that the FAA partners on and given the following guidance as to what the FAA means by the term "operate." That guidance states: "Do not intentionally fly over unprotected persons or moving vehicles, and remain at least 25 feet away from individuals and vulnerable property."

And that was based on the fact that if you were to fly a drone across any given neighborhood in the United States, it would be for all practical purposes not to fly over any person, as houses are full of people. So they issued that clarification, which as I have been told directly by the FAA means that simply flying your drone across any property where they may be people is allowed, as long as you do not intentionally operate over unprotected people (and I asked for the definition of "unprotected" and they said that it would be on a case by case basis as to what that term may mean). And the unintentional passing over people doesn't, according to the FAA, constitute as "operating" whereas hovering it overhead would.

I'm not trying to split hairs here, just was asking the question because as a responsible drone pilot I wouldn't want to violate the law and recognizing that the law states "not operate" haven't seen anything that specifically stated that literally you cannot fly over people. The form that I signed to get my license stated that I must comply with what was contained on that site, the not intentionally over unprotected people.
by Glockster
Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:12 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"
Replies: 66
Views: 23572

Re: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"

G.A. Heath wrote:
Glockster wrote:
Mxrdad wrote:
Alf wrote:
priusron wrote:He has a legal right to fly his drone.
Maybe, if he complies with all applicable FAA regulations, but he doesn't have any legal right to set foot on my property without permission.
He can not fly over "people". If it lands in a backyard, its reasonable to assume there is a house by that back yard. A Homeowner could easily prove that drone should not have been flying there.

And I agree, he has no legal right to set foot on anybodys property without permission. I would have a problem if one of those "Big Ones" landed in my yard. He and I would have to have a serious talk about that. Those "Big Ones" can certainly hurt someone falling from the sky, or easily crack a windshield or other property damage. Now a kid toy? Not a problem. I would gladly give it back to the kid except I would retrieve it in my backyard if I could easily do so. Now if its high up in the tree, I wouldnt let them get it out due to liability. I wouldnt want someone climbing a ladder and risk a fall or other injury. I would let them know its in a tree and if/when it comes down, I'll let ya know.

What is the reference for your "can not fly over people" restriction? I'm unaware of that general restriction so having it would be helpful.
It's part of the FAA rules passed by executive fiat around this time last year IIRC.
I've looked at those, as well as the TX code on drones and cannot seem to find anywhere that it says that you "can not fly over people."
by Glockster
Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:12 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"
Replies: 66
Views: 23572

Re: "My Drone Crashed in Your Backyard"

Mxrdad wrote:
Alf wrote:
priusron wrote:He has a legal right to fly his drone.
Maybe, if he complies with all applicable FAA regulations, but he doesn't have any legal right to set foot on my property without permission.
He can not fly over "people". If it lands in a backyard, its reasonable to assume there is a house by that back yard. A Homeowner could easily prove that drone should not have been flying there.

And I agree, he has no legal right to set foot on anybodys property without permission. I would have a problem if one of those "Big Ones" landed in my yard. He and I would have to have a serious talk about that. Those "Big Ones" can certainly hurt someone falling from the sky, or easily crack a windshield or other property damage. Now a kid toy? Not a problem. I would gladly give it back to the kid except I would retrieve it in my backyard if I could easily do so. Now if its high up in the tree, I wouldnt let them get it out due to liability. I wouldnt want someone climbing a ladder and risk a fall or other injury. I would let them know its in a tree and if/when it comes down, I'll let ya know.

What is the reference for your "can not fly over people" restriction? I'm unaware of that general restriction so having it would be helpful.

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