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rentz wrote:
one thing you need to realize is the usp45 tactical (or hk45 tactical not sure which you mean) is a higher end handgun model from the USP line and they are very popular. it has a better trigger and a threaded barrel, the extras are the reason why it costs twice as much as the VP line.
That and all the hammer fired models will cost more due to the higher cost to manufacture, it's very difficult to try and compare the VP cost to the cost of the 45 tactical line it's apples and oranges. another thing to consider is the USP series is a bit thicker than the P series, the P series is more ergonomic (as is the HK45 series)

IMO go try them out before dropping the cash on the tactical, or if you just want to wade into the HK waters the VP9 is hard to go wrong with...i'm far from a marksman and the second i picked up the vp9 i was greatly more accurate with it just through the first magazine alone.

enforcerjwd wrote:The tactical variant one is an amazing gun, I had one then switched to an lem trigger which helped out a lot. You would love the accuracy of a 1911 but a polymer framed pistol

bmwrdr wrote:

Glockster wrote:

bmwrdr wrote:

Glockster wrote:

PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.

I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.

I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.

That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.

The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.

Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.

Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.

Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.

rentz wrote:

Glockster wrote:

bmwrdr wrote: The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.

Noticing that from the pricing on gunbroker it seems that the VP40 is priced just slight higher than a Glock. Entry level gun then?

i wouldnt say entry level, but they priced the VP line similarly to the currently polymer striker fired options.
i love my vp9 and if you get one or the vp40 i HIGHLY suggest getting an LE one if you can, which comes with an extra magazine and night sights.

bmwrdr wrote: The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.

bmwrdr wrote:

Glockster wrote:

PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.

I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.

I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.

That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.

The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.

PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.

I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.

I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.

WildBill wrote:

Glockster wrote:

WildBill wrote:IMO the only drawback to the H&K is that the selection of holsters isn't as broad as for the Beretta.

Glad you mentioned that! I hadn't checked yet and as my preference is for Fobus paddle holsters went and checked. Looks like they have models to cover nearly all H&K, but they are currently out of stock. So if I move forward going to have to keep an eye on availability for sure.

It's funny that you should mention that.

I recently purchased a Fobus paddle holster for my Beretta.

I wore it yesterday for the first time. It is very comfortable and conceals well under a loose T-shirt.

I was practicing drawing the gun and found that you have to tilt the gun towards the body for it to slip out of the holster, otherwise it is "locked" in the holster.

rentz wrote:

Glockster wrote:Well this helps! I've been looking at http://hk-usa.com/product/pistols/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and it is hard to easily get to the need to know stuff, but just realized that they also have this site which makes it a lot easier to look up models and variants:
http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products ... rview.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yeah and the variant numbers aren't always the same across all models either.
the light lem variant comes highly touted as it gives you the single action pull all the time and IMO would be best for carry as you avoid that super heavy first pull or using a safety.