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by NavyVet1959
Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:00 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

Bladed wrote:You can make the case that the framers of the Constitution intended the Second Amendment to be the only FEDERAL gun law, but they never intended for the Constitution to restrict state governments. I fully support the incorporation of the Bill of Rights, but we have to be careful about making inaccurate or misleading historical arguments.
Do you believe that the Constitution as originally intended by the Founding Fathers gives states the right to mandate or prohibit a particular religion?

It was the 14th Amendment that expanded the power of the federals government to allow for federal rules to be propagated down to the state level. Personally, I think that it gave the federal government too much power and combined with the way that the Southern states were forced to ratify it, I don't particularly agree with it. I also don't like the fact that in a single amendment, they lump so many concepts together.

Personally, I believe that the Bill of Rights are sacrosanct since the Constitution would not have passed if those 10 Amendments had not been there.
by NavyVet1959
Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:41 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

Bladed wrote:In any true compromise, both sides give a little, and both sides get a little. Rather than eschewing the word "compromise" altogether, we need to focus on ensuring that our get outweighs our give.
Our ultimate goal should be the re-establishment of the intentions of the Founding Fathers with respect to the 2nd Amendment being the ONLY gun "law" out there. We should be actively attempting a full repeal of the NFA of 1934 and the GCA of 1968 -- not that I have any particular desire to own fully automatic weapons, but it is the principle of the thing. Of course, the leftists will balk at that and suggest something else, but the point is that we need to put *them* on the defensive for a change. Instead of us trying to minimize the damage that they can do to us, we need to put them in that position. Each year, we should attempt a full repeal of the NFA of 1934 and GCA of 1968 and use that as a starting point to get back our rights. Eventually, we will have dug ourselves out of this hole that the leftists have put us in.
by NavyVet1959
Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

Bladed wrote:Off the top of my head, here are a few compromises that constituted huge gains for gun owners.

1. Texas's CHL law: Twenty years ago, one side wanted citizen to be able to carry handguns for personal protection, and the other side wanted to maintain the status quo in which only trained, vetted, commissioned peace officers could carry handguns. The two sides compromised.

2. The federal safe passage law: The Hughes amendment not withstanding, the Firearm Owners Protection Act was a compromise between states that wanted local control over their firearms laws and gun owners who wanted to be able to travel with their guns without risking jail time.

3. Virtually every gun rights bill that has ever passed in Texas or any other state: Whether we're talking about the passage of PC 30.06 (a compromise between gun rights and property rights), negotiations over the parking lot bill (certain influential groups were granted limited exceptions in order to ensure passage of the bill), or changing "fails to conceal" to "intentionally displays" in 46.035(a) (it's not open carry, but it does address the issue of unintentional display), most gun rights wins involve some form of compromise.

In my humble opinion, one of the more pervasive threats to the gun rights movement is the all-or-nothing mentality promoted by some of the more fanatical factions of the movement (e.g., the open carry advocates who, in complete disregard for the realities of Texas politics, are antagonistic toward efforts to pass anything less than unlicensed open carry). It's rare to see a controversial bill pass without at least a few concessions, and nothing is gained by watching a perfect bill die.
Those "compromises" were our taking back some of the rights that we had lost from either previous compromises or just leftovers from the Yankee Imperialistic Occupation after the War of Northern Aggression. Even with them, we're not back to where we were with what the Founding Fathers intended. We need to put the leftists on the defensive for a change instead of just slowly giving up more and more of our 2nd Amendment guaranteed rights.

"The secret to successful negotiation is to ask for the world, but settle for New Jersey."
by NavyVet1959
Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:01 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

bagman45 wrote:This noise obviously does NOBODY any good. On the other hand, has anyone considered that this may actually be a Bloomberg funded group??? WOW, what a GREAT way to turn the average "I don't really have an opinion about guns" person into someone who WOULD support more gun control.... Don't think the other side is that smart, but then again, the best way to destroy ANY group is from WITHIN.... Has anyone done any research on the folks in this group and the history of their political affiliations????? Just sayin'......
IF that was the case, then the best thing we could do is fully support their open carry efforts. That sure would shove it in the face of Bloomberg and all the other leftist idiots. Show him that TEXANS don't have a problem with people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
by NavyVet1959
Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:33 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:This is not a country where we get to tell people to shut it and sit down. This is a nation where dialog can will and must take place. If the 2nd amendment people do not come together in reasonable conversation then a house divided against itself will not stand. The anti's will win and we all lose.
As far as I'm concerned, *compromise* is what has gotten us into the sorry condition we are currently in. Every attempt at compromise has resulted in the leftists gaining ground and then using that as a point to further assault our 2nd Amendment guaranteed rights. The time for compromise is over. We need to put the leftists on the defensive. We need to take back ground.
by NavyVet1959
Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:51 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15386

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

Well, I might consider boycotting them if I actually ate at either one of them. Kind of difficult to boycott a place that you don't frequent. :)

I support Open Carry, but I do not believe that they should be doing it with the ARs since although legal, it is a bit large of a first step in getting people to get used to what we already know is legal. You need to start small and get people used to seeing firearms in public. Start out with something a bit less scary for those people who suffer incontinence at the sight of an EBR (Evil Black Rifle). Maybe some sort of single shot / muzzle loader to start with?

Blunderbuss anyone?
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Add a bit of steampunk clothing and no one would think much of it. :)

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