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HankB wrote:When entering a gun show with a compliant PC30.06 posting, I observe it. (There was one time I arrived at a show which had no sign posted when I entered . . . but sometime afterward, before I left . . . the sign went up. Could have been sticky . . . )

If there's some sort of non-PC30.06 compliant sign, I ignore it like all such signs and carry concealed. (I do NOT break concealment to try a new holster, play "look at mine" or anything else of the sort.)

I have never been asked by an LEO at the door or elsewhere in the show whether or not I had a firearm. I would not lie about this to a sworn peace officer, even if he was working security at a private function.

seamusTX wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote:So which article says if a police officer asks me if I am wearing underwear while walking into the lobby of the PD, I have to answer truthfully?

If whether or not you're wearing underwear is germane to a criminal investigation, probably PC§ 37.08. FALSE REPORT TO PEACE OFFICER OR LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE.

I don't think you're required to answer questions truthfully if they are not part of a criminal investigation, except when under oath.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote:I only have to show my CHL to a peace officer if I am packing and he/she demands identification. I cannot find a statute that says I have to inform him verbally.

That is correct.

BrassMonkey wrote:I also cannot find anywhere where it says I have to answer a peace officers questions truthfully while not participating in an official investigation.

The Code of Criminal Procedure defines the powers and duties of peace officers. It does not refer to on- or off-duty status. Peace officers are peace officers all the time, whether on the clock, in uniform or in their pajamas.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

- Jim

KBCraig wrote:

HooG19 wrote:

rx9790 wrote:I aint running with that one, because i will bet a months pay if something goes down they will throw the book at me for disobeying an officer in uniform. They are decked out in their HPD clothes with a badge so to me they are LEO. If they are under security guise then there uniform should reflect that.

They ARE there as LE, not private security. The show's hire off duty officers through the departments. They pay the department, the department pays the officer as an overtime gig.

Doesn't matter who's paying them. If they're there to enforce a private employer's rules, they're functioning as private security.

Let me make it clear that I'm making a philosophical distinction, not a legal one.

The officers at the door retain their full LEO status to detain, investigate, and arrest. That's fine: that's their job. But a peace officer's job is not, and should not be, to play doorman and bouncer. I have a problem with it when someone with government authority stands at the door of a private establishment to enforce a dress code, and enforcing a show promoter's private rules is no different.

If the gun show employees want to ask everyone to unload and zip-tie all guns, that's their business. But it's not a legal matter at a government-owned facility, and peace officers should not try to enforce such rules.

Kevin