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lrb111 wrote:

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote:One should remember that instructors will try to pass along their wisdom/experiences during the class as well.

Sure, but unfortunately, "wisdom" seems to vary an awful lot. Some instructors have a lot less of it than they think they have. So instead of passing along wisdom, they end up shovelling out a lot of balony.

How many classes have you taken, that you have the experience to speak about?

You are absolutely correct. Tis why I make my own decisions after culling as much info from others as I can. My decisions, my consequences. Hence the reason the chl eliginility laws have a certain amount of maturity required. As in a minimum age requirement :-)

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote:One should remember that instructors will try to pass along their wisdom/experiences during the class as well.

Sure, but unfortunately, "wisdom" seems to vary an awful lot. Some instructors have a lot less of it than they think they have. So instead of passing along wisdom, they end up shovelling out a lot of balony.

One should remember that instructors will try to pass along their wisdom/experiences during the class as well. Everyone I have seen have always been in the "Now this is the law, and this is my experience, or what I would do" format. Did ya ever wonder why the class is 10 hours for such a small amount of technical information? Hrmmmm?????

So what is "normal"?


Subch. H. LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) "Action" means single action, revolver, or semi-automatic
action.
(2) "Chemically dependent person" means a person who
frequently or repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence
in alcohol or uses controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to
acquire a fixed habit and an involuntary tendency to become intoxicated
or use those substances as often as the opportunity is
presented.
(3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of
which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable
person.
(4) "Convicted" means an adjudication of guilt or , except as
provided in Section 411.1711, an order of deferred adjudication
entered against a person by a court of competent jurisdiction whether
or not the imposition of the sentence is subsequently probated and
the person is discharged from community supervision. The term does
not include an adjudication of guilt or an order of deferred adjudication
that has been subsequently:
(A) expunged; or
(B) pardoned under the authority of a state or federal official.
(4-a) "Federal judge" means:
(A) a judge of a United States court of appeals;
(B) a judge of a United States district court;
(C) a judge of a United States bankruptcy court; or (D) a magistrate
judge of a United States district court.
(4-b) "State judge" means:
TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS GC §411.172. 3
(A) the judge of an appellate court, a district court, or a county
court at law of this state; or
(B) an associate judge appointed under Chapter 201, Family
Code.
(5) "Handgun" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.01,
Penal Code.
(6) "Intoxicated" has the meaning assigned by Section 49.01,
Penal Code.
(7) "Qualified handgun instructor" means a person who is certified
to instruct in the use of handguns by the department.
(8) * *[repealed by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Section 9.02.]




§ 49.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Alcohol concentration" means the number of grams
of alcohol per:
(A) 210 liters of breath;
(B) 100 milliliters of blood; or
(C) 67 milliliters of urine.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or
physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a
controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of
two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the
body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or
more.

Jason73 wrote:

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

Jason73 wrote: As far as being intoxicated while carrying, that is definitely grounds for arrest according to page 61 in that nifty little white book that came with the CHL application.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

Q: Can I carry a handgun if I am drinking alcohol?
A: No; it is illegal to carry a handgun if you are intoxicated.

Notice that the answer in the DPS book IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. They don't say whether you can carry while drinking. They just say you can't carry while intoxicated.

Big difference.

Texas has issued an updated CHL handbook and the new one states the following:


Q: Can I carry a handgun if I am drinking alcohol?
A: “Carrying� while drinking is not prohibited, but it is a criminal
offense to carry while intoxicated.

Now someone needs to tell all the CHL instructors to stop spewing the "not a drop" spiel and making people (such as myself) believe they will go to jail for just smelling a beer while carrying.

I admit, I did not read the whole 11 pages before posting... Sue me... :-)

frankie_the_yankee wrote:Relax guys. It's just an expression. What I meant was that some of the teetotaler or "not one drop" people seem to have almost a religious fervor about it.

I have no intention of starting a 1st Amendment thread.

My own belief is that:

1) One drink does not impair my judgement in any significant way.
2) It is NOT illegal to carry after having one drink.
3) There is no moral justification for why I should give up my rights to the means of self defense just because I chose to have one drink.
4) Instructors who claim that one drink is illegal are full of baloney. IMO, this makes all of their other pronouncements and interpretations suspect. For that reason, I would not knowingly patronize them.

Finally, I would invite those not familiar to read this whole thread before posting. Most of your concerns have been addressed in spades.

How does the sepration of church and state compromise the integrity or intent of the constitution. Remember, Our forefathers moved here to get away from state controlled religion, ie, the catholic church, that's why they are called protestant.

I would like to hear TXI's opinion on this one. He has such a unique way of looking atthings :-D Seriously, TXI, opinion?

Don't blow, call an attorney immediately IMHO

I don't drink alcohol ever. Never never never....