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Ruark wrote:

KLB wrote:I'm not optimistic about the chances of this, but for cases in which state agencies or (more likely) political subdivisions improperly post 30.06 signs, what about giving aggrieved licensees a private cause of action for something like a $1,000 fine plus reasonable attorneys fees and court costs? Instead of overburdening the AG with policing obstruction by political subdivisions, we give citizens the power to bring the government to heel.

That's an interesting concept. I'm not sure how many people would go to all that trouble (attorney, court, etc.) just because they saw a sign on a state building, however.

all it takes is one activist. if you empower the people, non profit organizations will spring up and make it their business. Now, I think it's sad that people have to be empowered by government to defend rights that shouldn't even be in question but here we are.

mojo84 wrote: Do you have any evidence insurance companies are doing what you say they are? As of yet I have seen no one produce one shred of evidence indicating they are requiring businesses post no gun signs or charging higher rates.

I don't have correspondence from insurance companies to businesses but several business owners that I've talked to about their sign posting since Jan 1st told me that they were forced to by insurance, including the comoany my wife works for.

The company I work for, on the other hand encourages employees to be armed and the owner even occasionally brings in a CHL instructor for anyone who wants to get theirs.

If it's just business owners pushing their own agendas and hiding behind the skirts of "evil insurance companies" then thats a whole other thing. Ultimately, property rights trump 2A rights in Texas so if every propery owner decided to post a 30.06 and 30.07 sign we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves anywhere other than our own homes even though it is legal.

How about legislation to prohibit insurance companies from imposing higher rates on businesses (or anyone) if they don't post 30.06 and 30.07 signs. Forcing your customers to comply with the political will of the insurance companies by imposing excessive fees for not doing so is just wrong.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that excluding licensed concealed or open carry increase risk so there is no financial reason for charging customers more for not posting 30.06 and 30.07 signs is capricious of not discriminatory.