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by ferguson
Mon May 12, 2014 9:53 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

WildBill wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I don't get it. He's a US citizen. Why does he need naturalization papers? Just check the box for Yes, I'm a citizen, and move on.
I have wondered the same. :headscratch
because they're requesting "born out-of-country" documentation. If you were born in another country you must provide proof of citizenship (and a check mark in the "I am a citizen" box doesn't cut it. It's on the checklist. Like I said, there's no question as to my citizenship, however for this one and only one purpose (obtaining a Texas CHL) because of the wording of the law, the document I normally use when required to prove my citizenship was not acceptable because it expired. For every other purpose (including verification for employment) an expired Passport is acceptable, you just can't travel with it - citizenship doesn't expire, and I continue to be me after my Passport expires so for every other purpose an expired Passport is still valid for proof of citizenship. But the CHL statute requires an UNEXPIRED Passport. When I called DPS about it the very nice person on the phone said "yeah, it was a badly written requirement, but it affects so few people and it's so easy to address, that changing the wording hasn't really been a priority".

Naturalization papers are another of the accepted documents for ""born out of country" documentation. Because I was a minor when my parents were naturalized, I never got naturalization documents (at the time, they were not offered). Instead, I got a U.S. Passport. Now, I can request a naturalization certificate but they're like $300 and take months to process...and since I already have a Passport, I don't really need one since they serve the same purpose (other than during the renewal process when I send out my Passport every 10 years to get renewed).

I ended up doing an expedited Passport application, which cost an extra $60 or something - had my new Passport in less than 2 weeks. Problem solved!
by ferguson
Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

The Annoyed Man wrote:In re: the OP's screen name....

turd_ferguson
thug _ferguson

Interesting.... The site censor doesn't censor bad words that are connected by an "_" to other words. But put a space in front of the "_", and you get the censor kicking in.

Just sayin'........

Oh, and welcome to the forum, uh....... Mr. Ferguson. :mrgreen:
...it's a character from an old comedy bit.
by ferguson
Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

[quote="WildBill]It all boils down to the "Born out of Country Documents". It appears than people born outside the borders of the US are required to continuously provide proof of citizenship even after becoming a citizen.[/quote]

This doesn't really bother me. It's NOT just me. My wife had to prove she's a citizen too - except she has a birth certificate so it's easier. Having left hardcore Communism and followed all the immigration rules I totally understand the value to an American citizenship and think that Americans have every right to guard it with utmost efforts. The thing is, it's usually not a problem...just a couple of months while my Passport expires and then it's just a mild inconvenience.
by ferguson
Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

[quote="healthinsp I don't understand why you cannot just take the Texas class, send in your Ga license and get a Texas after a background check.

That would make sense to me.[/quote]

I didn't know that that was an option! I haven't seen it anywhere and nobody mentioned it. I'll have to call DPS on Monday and get it all straightened out. I just started putting my paperwork together this weekend and thought I'd have it all ready to go before the week started. If sending in my existing "expired" CHL works (it's good for 7 years...it's only expired because I moved) then I'd be happy with that.
by ferguson
Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

Beiruty wrote:Go the local Federal place where they issue the passport and you can get it as fast as same day for nominal fee.
I like this option - Didn't think of it but you're right...I don't quite need the "big bucks" overnight option (my parents did it once for a trip) but if I can get it done relatively quickly for an extra $50 or so...that's a winner.
by ferguson
Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:56 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

just to be clear, I do not have any naturalization or Passport "issues". My Passport simply expired. This doesn't make me a non-citizen or change anything. There is no problem. I will renew it like I have several times before. I'm in no danger or getting kicked out of the country and there is no question as to my citizenship. My only concern was whether or not this is going to delay the processing of my CHL. I know the Passport renewal takes about 6 weeks. I was just wondering if anyone had experience with this sort of thing (and of course the office is closed until Monday when I can just call them and ask) and if I should just send in my expired Passport photocopy and DPS will contact me if it's not good enough or if they'll just throw the application in the trash, keep my money, and make me re-apply in which case I should wait until I get the new Passport before mailing in my paperwork.
by ferguson
Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:15 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

Re: am I going to have a citizenship problem?

thanks for the welcome!

We are so happy to be in Texas - I've lived in Commiefornia for 22 years and finally voted with my feet and my wallet.

I intend to renew my Passport. How I got my passport was simple - I got it when my parents were naturalized (I was about 10 years old). Ever since then, I just re-new it. I CAN get my certificate of naturalization, but it's like $350 and as long as I have and can get renewed Passports, why bother? I work as a consultant too. It just kind of slipped my mind as these things tend to do until I pulled it out for the CHL. At least my wife can get hers. I was just unsure if I needed to get my new passport before sending in my paperwork or send in what I have (the Passport expired in August so it's not THAT old) with the expired Passport and they'll let me know if there's a problem. I've never been through the process in Texas so I don't know if they'll just take my money and throw out the application of if they'll actually work with me. It wasn't a problem with my driver's license (which also technically required an unexpired Passport, but they took it anyway). For my job, an expired Passport was acceptable so it wasn't a problem.
by ferguson
Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:14 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: am I going to have a citizenship problem?
Replies: 34
Views: 5877

am I going to have a citizenship problem?

Hi, everyone.

It's my first post to the forum.

My wife and I recently moved to Texas and started the application process for our CHL's. We had CHL's from GA but since GA doesn't issue out-of-state permits they expired when we became Texas residents. We both paid our application fees and took the required course, and when I was getting ready to send in our paperwork I noticed the "Born out of Country Documents" requirement at the bottom of the checklist.

I was not born in the U.S. My family immigrated legally from the USSR back in the 70's. Both my parents were naturalized before I turned 18 (making me a citizen)...then there was the 1986 Reagan amnesty which would have gotten me if my parents or I weren't naturalized...and I'm also married to a U.S. Citizen. I have a U.S Passport and used it to prove my citizenship when I applied (and received) my TX driver's license.

I was going to send in a copy of my U.S. Passport, but noticed that it expired! Am I going to have to go through a bunch of paperwork before sending in my application or will they just go by my driver's license information if I'm a TX resident?

If not, I'm either going to have spend a bunch of money and time renewing my Passport or getting a naturalization certificate (I'm more concerned about the wait, really).

Certificate of marriage and expired Passport (which are the only 2 documents I have available) are not on the list...but do I even need to worry about it since I just went through all the citizenship-proving stuff to get my driver's license?

thanks for any insight you might have into this -

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