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by ShootDontTalk
Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Secur
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Re: Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social S

Some current LEO correct me here, but there are (or were) actually several investigative databases. NICS is the least comprehensive. It was designed in response to the Brady Law of 1993. The key is to understand the acronym: National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Instant being a key word. This is what the form 4473 relies on. I don't know of any Law Enforcement agency that uses NICS. NICS is run by the FBI and now includes a computer e-system so you don't actually have to call an operator. It only provides clear (for sale), no (no sale) or wait (wait 72 hours) responses.

When you are stopped for a traffic citation, you are run through a much more comprehensive system known as NCIC. This database is far more detailed than the NICS one. No one except an authorized Law Enforcement Officer may access this information, although you used to have to use a voice radio to access it through a dispatcher. Even an officer cannot just "run" license plates and DL numbers through NCIC anymore. The slang shorthand for a call-in request used to be, "run wants and warrants" which gives you an idea how much more detailed it is than NICS. Today most departments have laptops in units so verbal calls are not used.

NCIC has numerous different parts containing all sorts of information, such as stolen property, address history, aliases, etc. I may be incorrect here, but I believe this system is a required part of the CHL process. NCIC is run by the FBI. I have no idea if NICS is a separate database, or just a limited access NCIC check. Some geek may know, if such things matter.

There are (pretty sure they still exist) even more comprehensive restricted databases that are operated on a need-to-know only basis.

I don't remember the wording on the 4473, but I think it allows FFL's to opt out of NICS for licensed purchasers because they wouldn't have the license without an NCIC check.

Key thing to remember for us "codgers" is to get with an attorney and get advice on how to keep prying govt eyes out of your affairs. IN ANY EVENT, back on topic. Here we go with more political correct Tom foolery, "Let's stop all those massacres by those elderly Americans with Alzheimer's." :banghead:

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