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EODgunner wrote:I think you guys are really giving this RIP ammo a negative look. I can think of a few great places it would do great. Take for instance it would do well...............um............. .........well.........got it. On my local gun stores shelf. I knew I could figure this one out! But really this ammo is trying to be an expanding broad head and there are a couple of ammo companies that make a product that's better then this. This being one: http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/index.p ... zzlyxtreme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Now I'm not saying this is ammo something that's is good or that I would even carry it but IMHO it's better then RIP.

Better than unsuitable is still unsuitable. And $42 for 20 rounds? That alone is proof positive it is just another snake oil. I just cannot for the life of me figure out the fascination with these pinhead "defense loads."

You're on solid ground using proven loads and you'll save money.

I don't think I would ever buy anything from the G2 people. They have already shown me where their interest lies: not my personal safety, but their personal pocketbook. Here are my suggestions:

1) Forget the issue of caliber. NO HANDGUN is adequate to the task. Choose a good caliber and forget the "caliber war" nonsense. If you know nothing about calibers, find out what calibers law enforcement carries. You can branch out later. No offense, but when people say that there is only one good caliber, they don't have a clue what a good caliber is. Avoid such "advice."

2) Choose a proper gun. If you're new to guns, rent some and find what you shoot well. Just like gimmick ammunition, don't buy a gimmick handgun. You want a gun that is absolutely reliable, easy to operate, can be carried without needing a hand truck, can be concealed without consulting Omar the Tentmaker, and that fits your hand. Practice, practice, practice, then practice some more.

3) Choose ammunition based on what law enforcement uses. Do this at least until you learn what the requirements of a proper defense round really are. Spend time learning actual wound ballistics. Don't watch idiots shooting watermelons on YouTube. After you learn from good sources, you can find the few good videos. Now armed with proper knowledge, avoid anything that claims to do absurd things. Trust me, the only thing such stuff will do is make you poor and/or dead.

I won't go into belts, holsters, or the world of other things you need to learn. Others have covered these topics very well already.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Gold Dots, HSTs, Critical Defense, etc., etc., etc.........even the venerable Hydro-shok........are all better choices for a defensive bullet, and they don't carry near the potential baggage in court that this bullet might.

although I cannot find any court or anecdotal data that the name of your ammunition will make a good shoot into a bad shoot, this stuff is grossly overpriced. It is snake oil, designed to detach you from your money with wild claims and nonsensical assertions that they actually work.