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by jbarn
Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The_Busy_Mom wrote:
jbarn wrote:I am not trying to chastise you...... but I am just going to disagree. :tiphat:
The_Busy_Mom wrote:We will have to agree to disagree.

:txflag: TBM
jbarn wrote:Unless one instructs others in that method, or calls it a viable carry method for students. Then it is not "each to their own". We have an enormous responsibility as instructors. Carrying in such a dangerous manner is irresponsible, IMO.
I answered the OP, which was whether or not you should carry one in the chamber. You came back and showed that, while you were not trying to chastise, you would disagree with my method of carry. I ended with that fact that we would agree to disagree. Yet you continue to harp. For someone who is not trying to chastise another, you sure aren't doing a very good job. I am trying to stay on topic of the thread. So let me go ahead and change my post so that you will feel better, and you can stop chastising me for my choice.
The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer DOWN.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

:txflag: TBM
This should remain on topic to one in the chamber or not. Start your own thread if you want someone to debate carry choice with you; however, it will not be me. I am no good at debate.

:txflag: TBM

I am still not trying to chastise you, but to educate you. If after all of this you still don't see that carry in condition zero is unsafe and irresponsible, especially for an instructor, well...... good luck to you. As an instructor, I think we should be open to learning as well.

I was actually taken to task by a well known instructor a few years ago on the range. I didn't get defensive or try to justify my position. I listened and carefully considered his point. Especially considering he was not alone in his opinion. I changed my opinion that day.

Have a good evening, busy mom. :thumbs2:
by jbarn
Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:35 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The Annoyed Man wrote: But the SP2022 has no grip safety, and it has a 4.4 lb SA pull with the hammer fully cocked and ready to go. It has a decocker, but no safety which locks the hammer. That means that it was designed to be carried decocked. Carrying it cocked, and not locked, runs against both the manufacturer's recommendations and the buns design parameters. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But to each his or her own, I suppose.
Unless one instructs others in that method, or calls it a viable carry method for students. Then it is not "each to their own". We have an enormous responsibility as instructors. Carrying in such a dangerous manner is irresponsible, IMO.

I agree with everything you wrote.
by jbarn
Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The_Busy_Mom wrote:We will have to agree to disagree.

:txflag: TBM
We certainly do. :cheers2:

Would you answer the revolver question? Would you carry a revolver cocked?
by jbarn
Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I teach my students that it is their choice. I don't force my opinion on anyone, nor tell them what I think is right or wrong for them, sight unseen, training unknown. In my class, we discuss the advantages and disadvantages, and what one might expect with the method they choose. We discuss facts and responsibility.
Again, I 100% disagree with you. IMO, condition one, cocked and unlocked, is not safe.
I consider this carry cocked and locked because a mechanical safety is not the only safety a responsible gunowner has. You're number #1 safety is your handling/training/keep your finger off the trigger unless you are going to fire, no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked. A negligent discharge is going to happen no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked - it is negligent.
Again misinformation. Your gun, cocked, is NOT locked. Condition zero.
I come from a long background of LE in the family - from Dallas Sheriff's Office to Houston PD to Harris County Sheriff's Deputy, DPS, State Trooper. I can see that you are TCOLE, so I am going to make an assumption that you are either current LE or former LE, or related field.
You are correct, also a LE family. Dad a firearms instructor for DPS and the Dallas County Sheriffs Office (we probably know some of the same folks)
One of the biggest 'scares' for officers is having their firearm used against them. In many cases, officers will cite where the safety on their firearm was the one thing that kept the bad guy from killing them. Bad guy gets gun, shoots at officer, but bad guy doesn't realize safety is on, officer lives. But I am not LE and I want my gun to go bang when I point it. Don't get me wrong, I don't take this lightly. And again, I don't teach my tell my students how to carry. Ultimately, you know best about your training and your gun, and in the end, only you are responsible for your actions.
You know your gun will fire with the hammer down without the manipulation of any safety or other device, right? Because if so, I don't understand why you wrote that.

You, and I, are responsible for teaching our students in a safe manner, and instilling safe practices. Would you carry a cocked revolver?
by jbarn
Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:13 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The_Busy_Mom wrote:
jbarn wrote:
The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

:txflag: TBM
Does Sig make a variant of that pistol with a safety? I am only aware of the DA/SA model with a decocking lever.
No safety, only decocking lever, which I never use. Actually, I got in trouble at the range when I shot for my instructor license because I wouldn't decock at the end of each shooting round. I don't train that way, ergo, I didn't shoot that way. I was so focused on shooting, that when the range master was chattering about 'if you're shooting a Sig, I want to see you decock...' that I didn't even realize he was speaking to me. Hence the safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.

:txflag: TBM
I take it you are carrying cocked and UNlocked. The hammer back on such a gun is an extremely unsafe method to carry. The Sig has a decocking lever for a very good reason. It is designed to be carried hammer down, with a double action first shot. If the double action shot is not for you, then I believe the DA/SA design is not for you.

It also is, in my opinion, a bad example for students.

I am not trying to chastise you. I realize you are an adult and you can do as you please, but I emplore you to not carry in that manner.

I am also sure you will respond with reasons why carry condition zero is safe, but I am just going to disagree. :tiphat:
by jbarn
Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: One in the chamber or not?
Replies: 47
Views: 7791

Re: One in the chamber or not?

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

:txflag: TBM
Does Sig make a variant of that pistol with a safety? I am only aware of the DA/SA model with a decocking lever.

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