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by CleverNickname
Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:09 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Why do rich people get to carry more places?
Replies: 26
Views: 3375

Re: Why do rich people get to carry more places?

txcharvel wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:
suthdj wrote:Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?
No.
No, but your wife could hire you, or your kid...just saying
No, because a PPO has to be employed by a commissioned security company.

Also even if that wasn't the case it would still be impractical because you're not with your family 24-7. A PPO is only on duty when he's protecting someone else, not himself.
by CleverNickname
Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:57 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Why do rich people get to carry more places?
Replies: 26
Views: 3375

Re: Why do rich people get to carry more places?

suthdj wrote:Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?
No.
by CleverNickname
Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:56 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Why do rich people get to carry more places?
Replies: 26
Views: 3375

Re: Why do rich people get to carry more places?

If training and qualifications are the issue (which it doesn't appear to be, because as I noted, the trained PPOs are bound by 30.06 when not on duty and carrying on a CHL), then make an enhanced CHL that is also not bound by 30.06, with the same training requirements as a PPO, but without the legal ability to use the enhanced CHL to provide paid protection.

LEO's not being bound by 30.06 is a little different because in theory they're never off duty and are always still protecting the public at large (not just their client like a PPO) so I don't have near as big a problem with that, unless they're acting as paid security for a specific person when not officially on duty.
by CleverNickname
Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Why do rich people get to carry more places?
Replies: 26
Views: 3375

Why do rich people get to carry more places?

OK I'll admit my subject was a bit inflammatory, on purpose. But the fact remains that rich people in Texas are allowed to have armed protection where others cannot. They just have to hire a level IV PPO security officer, which is effectively impossible for the vast majority of Texans due to cost. Level IV PPOs are not prohibited from carry in nearly as many places as CHL licensees are. 30.06 doesn't apply, and other CHL-carry prohibited areas such as professional sports competitions, voting locations on voting day, etc. don't apply. Now, there is a bill (HB308) which would remove restrictions on CHL carry in many of these areas, so I'm grateful that progress is being made there.

That leaves 30.06. Why doesn't this apply to PPOs? Is it because PPOs are more highly trained? I've looked at the PPO requirements and while they're more stringent than a CHL class and range test, they're still not terribly difficult and many if not most CHL licensees could probably pass it. But the thing is, PPOs can't always ignore 30.06; they have to be on duty protecting their client to carry at all on their PPO commission. I assume most PPOs also have a CHL, and they would be affected by 30.06 when carrying on their CHL, so the on-duty requirement shows that it's not just about training or capabilities.

I hate to support restricting carry further, but since we've been told that 30.06 isn't going anywhere (despite other states with good CHL laws like Florida disallowing no-carry signs on private property from having force-of-law) logically I don't see why PPOs should not also be restricted by 30.06 when on duty.

Thoughts?

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