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Liberty wrote: Thats noit exactly true., We as CHL holders in Texas have a right to carry into and onto private property, until or unless we are informed by the terms of 30.06.

Or just flat told to leave.

Liberty wrote: We are under no obligation to be forth coming about our armed status when we enter private property.

So you're saying that we have "the right" to do something as long as the property owner doesn't know about it, and if they find out they can throw us out.

What kind of right is that?

Is that how the right to freedom of religion works?

Is that how the right to enter a restaurant, use a public swimming pool or drinking fountain, or take the seat of our choice on a bus works? If the bus company finds out you're half Inuit, can they throw you off the bus or make you take a seat in the back?

Any right to carry a firearm in pubic in this state is a limited one that is created by specific statutes.

One can argue forever as to whether or not it actually is a right (not the same as whether or not it should be), or what a right is, etc. But the fact remains that carrying a firearm is not enumerated as defining a protected class in any civil rights law that I know of, either in TX or anywhere else.

So you have no constitutional right to carry a gun in a public accommodation against the wishes of the owner/operator. And in TX, there is no statutory right either. If the owner/operator says, "No shirt, no shoes, no service.", or, "You and your gun have to leave now.", out you go or you're gonna get arrested.

No one has a right, constitutional, civil, or whatever, to carry a gun on someone else's private property.

But.......

Any business open to the public is a "public accommodation". And public accommodations are covered under various civil rights acts, in that various enumerated civil rights must be honored by the owners/operators of said public accommodations.

Unfortunately, the civil right that we know as the RKBA is not enumerated in any of the various civil rights acts that I have ev er heard of. So the owners/operators of public accommodations are not bound by law to honor that particular civil right when setting their policies.

So while the owner/operator of a public accommodation may not prohibit entry to individuals on account of their race, religion, gender, etc., there is no legal barrier that stops them from prohibiting entry by someone carrying a firearm.

For this to change, the public must come to realize that public "gun free zones" are merely targets of opportunity for nut cases and criminals.

It's more or less up to us to educate the public on this. If history is a guide, it will be a slow process. And in TX, it will be even harder because of the (misguided, IMO) views of some people who make up TX's large community of private property rights advocates.

Like I said, if someone doesn't like the rules in my home, don't come around. It's my home.

I'm with you Chris.