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I have just sent an email to the State of California's Office of the Attorney General with the copy of the threatening email. I plan to follow up with the San Diego police and I will definitely follow up with every criminal and civil legal recourse I can find to stop these morons from their illegal threats.

I received an email from this company today, because of my dissatisfaction posts on this forum and others. These people are threatening to give out my CC info to cause me some problems.

If there is ANY doubt whatsoever that you should NOT deal with this company, just look at this email I received today.

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We're going to give you a day to remove the post on Rip-off report and move on...

or you're going to wish you did Doyle Sinclair... we have a lot on you already, your cc and job info. Why do this for a belt issue that you caused.

From: Kore Essentials <info@koreessentials.com>

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I definitely plan to follow up with any legal and civil resolutions from this threat

warnmar10 wrote:

dwsintxs wrote:I definitely trimmed the correct end. There is NO doubt about that.

That is you trimmed the end opposite the tongue end, per the instructions, but the tongue end is the one that is delaminating, correct?

Further, your contention is; even if you were using your non-gunbelt belt to secure your holster, the tongue end (which is under no load or strain once the belt is cinched) should not delaminate under any circumstances. Using a non-gunbelt belt might reasonably be expected to cause problems somewhere else on the belt but not at the tip of the tongue. Is that more or less it?

That is exactly correct. I trimmed the correct end, and yes, no matter whether it is a gun belt or not, the tip should not be separating. I even sent pics to prove that to them. Apparently they are more interested in proving me wrong than taking care of a customer.
ALSO - whichever end is trimmed . . . .the belt is made of the same material from one end to the other, and NEITHER end should become separated even if weight is put on the belt in the middle or along the sides while wearing it. The tip end has nothing to do with the weight on another area of the belt.
They simply sent me a defective belt and are unwilling to admit it.

I have since asked them if they would like to send me a return label and that I would gladly send them back the belt AND the buckle (which they can resell to another customer) and I didn't even ask for a refund or replacement to do that. . . I was just trying to be nice, and they did not take me up on my offer, but did insult me by saying that I was being lame by trying to 'take the high road.'

Apparently this company is deeply entrenched in the idea that they never make a mistake, and any customer with a complaint is always wrong. My advice to anyone looking for a gun belt (or dress belt) and considering theirs is to be aware that their products (at least the ones that i have experience with) can be defective and that IF you buy from them, do not expect any typical customer service attitude of 'help the customer' . . instead you'll be told that you are wrong. I've bent over backwards trying to get this solved, but there comes a point in dealing with some companies that you realize that once they have your money, they are done with you.

Once again, to be clear. . . I think their belt idea is awesome, and I really loved it for the week or so that I wore it. . . I still wish I had one that wouldn't fall apart, I would gladly wear it and tell other people about their product but they don't seem to care about that.

They did send a somewhat taunting email saying that my posts on this web site and others had 'backfired' on me by providing them with a huge spike in sales. I guess that means that they would like MORE dissatisfied customer postings to drive up their business even more? LOL I found that boast to be particularly stupid.

They DID offer me a 'discount code' to get a discount if I ordered another belt, but I am not inclined to throw good money after bad, so I declined that offer.

It just seems to me that any company that would go to these lengths to NOT take care of a customer shows that they have poor business sense, and just about zero customer service sense.

Buy from them if you want but if you need customer service from them, you are SOL.

WildBill wrote:

Kkpsiknl wrote:It is my understanding that you do not trim the tongue end.
Here is a quick vid by The Yankee Marshal

I completely missed that in the OP.

I couldn't understand why he had problems threading the belt through the buckle.

The end of the belt that you trim is marked in inches to show you how much to trim off.

You DO NOT trim the tongue end.

I definitely trimmed the correct end. There is NO doubt about that.

I recently ordered a belt from Kore Essentials. This belt has a simple but ingenious design in that it allows an almost infinite number of adjustments for size. I like the idea that I could buy a belt that wasn't too long, that could be adjusted to my exact size even if that size was not a size that most belts are made in. In the past I've had belts that were too short and I found myself drilling a new hole towards the end rather than buying a next size up which would prove to be too long and then when cinched up would be either too loose or too tight.

The Kore Essentials belt takes that frustration and guess work out of the whole belt experience.
This belt allows you to pull the end to adjust to your waist size.

You buy the belt, attach the buckle at the correct end, and then try the belt on, and trim the end so that it's not sticking out six or eight inches too far and you're done. When wearing it, you simply pull the end and cinch it until it feels perfect for you, but you're not bound by where the manufacturer decided to place the holes for the buckle mechanism.

So, I got the belt, and it was perfect for about a week, and then I began noticing that it was hard to push the end through the buckle. I only wore it with the gun (tucked into my waistband, and NOT on a holster) for four days.

I finally looked at the end of the belt to try and determine why the end of the belt wasn't going through the buckle, and I noticed that the end of the belt was peeling apart. The outside leather type material had come unglued from the inner layer, and when the end was pushed through the buckle, the loose end was not allowing it to fit through the buckle.

So, I contacted the company, through email, and told them about the problem, and figured they'd just send me a new belt (there's nothing wrong with the buckle) and that would be the end of it. I even made a point of telling them in the email how much I loved the product and that I've been telling several friends about them.

The company responded back that I had bought the wrong belt, and that I had bought a non-gun type belt, what I had was a dress belt and that the 'weight' of the gun was what caused the problem.

I explained that the tip end of the belt had nothing to do with the fact that I was carrying a gun, and that the end shouldn't peel back like that regardless. In fact, I wore the belt 8 days (without carrying) and 4 days while carrying, and as I mentioned, I carried using an IWB that wasn't even attached to the belt at all.

I offered to send pics, (which I did) and was told that they could NOT help me because I was using a 'dress' belt instead of a 'gun' belt and that they would NOT off a replacement or a refund.

Finally, after several emails back and forth, he responded with this:

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Over the past year we've had several people mistakenly purchase fashion belts and use them to carry, despite the fact that our fashion belts are not designed for that. MOST OF THEN CAME APART AT THE TRIMMED END. Trimming the end has nothing to do with it. The fashion belts can't handle the extra weight and pull out of the buckle. It doesn't take much to do this to a soft leather fashion belt. So I'm not buying your rationale. We know belts...

If you use the new fashion belt for carrying - IT WILL COME APART

We will ship one out monday, then please never contact us again.

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By the way, I added those caps for emphasis. . . just to illustrate that the company is blatantly admitting that their belts will fall apart.

Also, their web site is somewhat confusing as to which belts are fashion and gun belts, and if they've had so many complaints about them falling apart because customers are buying the wrong ones, you'd think they'd put some warnings on their web site.

Final analysis: it seemed like a GREAT product. . .I still wish it was. . .but I cannot and will not waste my money on a company that has such poor customer service and knowingly puts out inferior products, especially after hearing many complaints (according to them) about the problems.

I finally told the guy to keep his belt and NOT send me a replacement. . .because why would I want something that HE says will fall apart?

Then I told him to go ahead and keep my money (even though he NEVER offered a refund) because if he needs money so badly as to rip people off, then he needs that $60 bucks (or whatever it was) more than I do.

Lastly . . I have been wearing belts all my life (as we all have) and gun belt or not, I have NEVER in my life,EVER had a belt come apart like that, even after wearing some of them for six, eight, even ten years!

Right now, I am back to wearing a 'dress' belt that is about six years old, from Target, and it cost about $20 and I am carrying. . .and it is holding up fine. . . but I still want a decent gun belt for when I do wear a holster. Apparently, Kore Essentials, while they had a good idea to begin with, has poor quality products and sucky (at best) customer service.

Avoid them.