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by Darwood
Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:07 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?
Replies: 1085
Views: 370261

Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

barres wrote:The ESC's are in the gray area of what constitutes a school. Students do visit the ESC's for testing and other services, but they are not regularly there. Much like students visit the zoos around the state, but a zoo isn't a school. ESC's are governed by TEA, but they are a support structure for schools, paid for by some TEA funds, but mostly by contracts with local school districts.

My personal opinion, and I visit several ESC's on a somewhat regular basis, is that they are not schools, but private corporations regulated by the Education Code. I would, therefore (and have, I've been to the ESC for Region 20), treat the 30.06 signs as valid, unless they lease their premises from a governmental entity. IMHO, IANAL, YMMV, etc.
I started looking at Education Code and it does appear that ESC's might actually be a state agency.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... .htm#8.003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sec. 8.008. APPLICABILITY OF CERTAIN LAWS RELATING TO POLITICAL ACTIVITIES. A regional education service center and each center employee is subject to Chapter 556, Government Code, and for purposes of that chapter:

(1) the center is considered to be a state agency; and

(2) each center employee is considered to be a state employee.
Also in Chapter 8 it does mention where their funding comes from:
Sec. 8.121. FUNDING FOR CORE SERVICES AND SERVICES TO IMPROVE PERFORMANCE. (a) Regional education service centers receive state financial support for services provided under Section 8.051 from money appropriated for the Foundation School Program...
It goes on. This all leads me to believe that the ESC's are state agency's, of course I'm not a lawyer nor have I read all of Chapter 8 yet...
by Darwood
Thu May 14, 2009 9:41 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?
Replies: 1085
Views: 370261

Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

barres wrote:The ESC's are in the gray area of what constitutes a school. Students do visit the ESC's for testing and other services, but they are not regularly there. Much like students visit the zoos around the state, but a zoo isn't a school. ESC's are governed by TEA, but they are a support structure for schools, paid for by some TEA funds, but mostly by contracts with local school districts.

My personal opinion, and I visit several ESC's on a somewhat regular basis, is that they are not schools, but private corporations regulated by the Education Code. I would, therefore (and have, I've been to the ESC for Region 20), treat the 30.06 signs as valid, unless they lease their premises from a governmental entity. IMHO, IANAL, YMMV, etc.
Thank you. I think that sounds like a good assessment. Speaking about students, there are some here today.
by Darwood
Wed May 13, 2009 4:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?
Replies: 1085
Views: 370261

Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

roberts wrote:
Darwood wrote:As far as I understand Region 20 is part of the regional education system and should be considered part of the Texas government.
Do they get government tax money?
I should know the answer to that question but I don't. Here is what I found off the web site:

"Funding

Because we are a public agency and cannot levy taxes, the programs and services we provide are financially supported by federal, state and school district funds."

http://portal.esc20.net/portal/page/por ... philosophy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As far as I can tell the Regional Service Centers are part of the Texas Education Agency, but I'm not certain of the exact relationship.
by Darwood
Wed May 13, 2009 3:43 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?
Replies: 1085
Views: 370261

Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

In San Antonio, the Education Service Center Region 20 has 30.06 signs at most if not all the entrance doors. The signs are white vinyl lettering on tinted glass. As far as I know students never visit the service center. At best only instructors go there. As far as I understand Region 20 is part of the regional education system and should be considered part of the Texas government. Please correct me if i am wrong.

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