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philip964 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:34 pm https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... o-gi-bill/

Omar suggests GI Bill for everyone.

Grumpy1993 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 5:09 pm

anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 4:51 pm

joe817 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 2:54 pm Has the U.S.(or Minnesota for that matter) gone completely crazy????

Yes. Beyond any doubt.

Based on the socialist wins in the Texas legislature so far this year, it's pretty clear we're past the point of no return. And if you can't beat them, maybe it's time to join them.

joe817 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 2:54 pm Has the U.S.(or Minnesota for that matter) gone completely crazy????

srothstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:14 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:47 pmmojo84 is again both focused and correct. In recent weeks, the conversation around Islamic anti-Semitism has involved Rep. Ilhan Omar. Like the various imams and terrorists, the newly elected politician reveals the diversity of Islamic anti-Semitism. What unites Muslim anti-Semites in America isn’t geography or culture. It isn’t a local Jewish population. Instead, as we saw in last year’s rash of mosque anti-Semitism, it’s the religious teachings of Islam.

I disagree with both you and Mojo on this. I have not studied Islam that much, but I have studied Jewish history a little. I have also read what is written in the Bible (well, some of the New Testament but mostly the Tanakh). From both, I have seen how easy it is for some men to take parts of the writings out of context and use it in ways that the religious writings would never condone.

As an example from my religion, I point to 1 Samuel 15:3 where the command was to kill very man, woman, child, suckling pig, goat, and ox. There are many other verses describing Israelite brutality against Philistines. And Philistine is the linguistic basis for Palestinean. But no one puts the Jews down for being violent even though the Old Testament is a very violent book.

And the Catholic church has a long history of being anti-anything other than Catholic. Consider the Inquisition and how they treated anyone who was even suspected of not being a good Catholic (and it wasn't just Spain - they were just the most famous). The Inquisition started in the 12th Century in France and continued through 1870 (and with some changes continues still). And while very few would say that the New Testament was violent, it is easy to see how much violence has been done in its name.

There is a lot of violence being done in the name of Islam and most of it is directed against Jews, but there is also a lot of anti-Christian violence as we saw this weekend. In neither case would I say that the religious teachings say to do this. I honestly believe that it is another example of the basic precepts of a religion being twisted by some men for their own purposes. This has happened too many times in other religions for me to not see it as probable in the case of Islam.

Is the Catholic Church alone guilty of an “inquisition”? Hardly. During the Protestant revolt, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and the English Tudors all used and condoned torture and capital punishment for heresy. For instance, John Calvin, during his rule of Geneva between 1546-64, had 58 executed for heresy or serious sin, 73 exiled, and 900 imprisoned out of a population of 20,000. In England during the reign of Elizabeth I (1559-1603), over 250 Catholics were executed, many first suffering horrible tortures; many were sentenced to being hung, drawn, and quartered (hung until unconscious, disemboweled, and then cut into four pieces) and priests had the added punishment of being emasculated. Moreover, in post-Reformation Europe, Britain executed over 30,000 as witches, and Germany, over 100,000.

Gator Guy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:55 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:19 am It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scrupture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

While I don't disagree with you here, maybe we should all remember forum rule #11:

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in the Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues forum.)

Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts.

Not everybody on this forum agrees with our position, and this should not be a wedge issue that will divide gun owners.

Jason Todd wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:16 pm

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:45 pm Are there that many stupid-deluded voters in America or are there that many stay-at-home on election day, non-voters in America? Somethings gotta' change or America will go down the tubes in your kids and grandkids' lives.....if not sooner.

America is already going down the tubes. If you're over 40, the America where you grew up is gone, and it's not coming back. Oh, it's theoretically possible, but realistically it won't happen. The federal government isn't going to cut spending by 50% or more and roll back legislative attacks on the constitution. The politicians and special interest groups don't love America enough to use "tough love" to break the epidemic of entitlement addiction.

The American Empire is headed down the same road as the Roman Empire. That can't be stopped.