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Just because every discussion between Governor, Lt Governor, and legislators is not made public does not mean that these folks are merely playing media lip service.

I for one think Abbott will be the best governor in the history of this state. He is proactive and pro freedom.

If we do our part when Charles tells us to Abbot will do his. Let the system work.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

Was this an on air report? Is that why you can't provide a link? I'd love to listen in on this, but I work from dark to dark, and I don't have cable, so I'm SOL for tv reports.

Thanks for the reminder. The report last night was on the air. Just checked their website and here is the link:

http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... s/18943123/

Play safe out there!

There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:Yeah, you're right. I guess I just went with the easiest shortest path to protectin people the liberal way. You really think we can get this country moving in the right direction? It seems like the constitution and our God given rights are nothing but toilet paper to the majority of politicians. I lost me edge in striving for the extreme victory, but time and bad experiences have their way of grinding us down, eh?

It is never too late to change direction. Lots of hurdles to overcome. Voter apathy, corruption, the pain of having to do what is right and necessary while overcoming the entitlement attitude. I could go on.

Biggest issue is lack of faith in God and His Mercy and providence.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:
Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You want a new system, i'm just trying to work with what we have now. I hope you understand that it's not because I want restrictions.

I don't want a new system. I want the old one back.

Your concern for safety is well founded and I agree with you. The four rules are constants that we must adhere to and those who know and handle firearms regularly know in our hearts that there is way more to it than the four rules actually articulate. Kind of like the 10 commandments cover more than they overtly state.

My daddy taught me how to handle firearms and I did the same for my sons. Firearm safety and other life lessons were taught to children by their parents and this is where society as a whole is slipping. Instead of teaching children life lessons parents are off watching Dancing With the Stars while their children are playing video games or else everyone has done a face plant in their phone.

I had a negligent discharge one time when I was a teenager that scared me to death. I will not have another and I do not tolerate sloppy firearm handling by anyone. Personal responsibility is just as applicable to firearms as it is to driving cars, using a rip saw, weed eater, electric mixer, or anything else that can cause injury if not used correctly.

You can't legislate correct behavior, and there are too many laws on the books that restrict freedoms because government has tried to do so.

Darwin rules. Unfortunately innocent people are victims of friendly fire in Darwin incidents.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws have exterminated hundreds of millions of people globally.

Please, explain this further as to how it is relevant? How is wanting people to go through a CHL course exterminating hundreds of millions of people in this situation?

Total confiscation historically is the end game where common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are placed on a country's citizens. CHLs are what I refer to as one of your reasonable restrictions.

The second amendment says nothing about training being required.

Since CHL's to you will lead to our deaths, we'll move on from that. Could you explain to me what you want as far as how guns are bought, sold, and who can have them, and where they can carry them? You don't have to go into song, I just want to know what it is that is acceptable to you. I only have bits and peices from previous posts

I have no problem with restricting felons from carrying.

Requiring permits to exercise God given rights is infringement whether it is OC or CC.

Citizens should be allowed to carry wherever LEO can carry.

Machine gun bans are extreme infringements. Citizens should be allowed to purchase and own whatever the military is using.

What I carry on my person is no one else's business.

I have mixed thoughts on background checks. If all it was was a background check called in when a person produces government issued ID then that would be OK but my distrust of government gives me pause for concern. Having to fill out the stupid 4473 is a waste of time. I used to be an FFL so I have experience with the laws and ATF audits.

Person to person sales are a fact of life. Get over it. The government should forget about it. There are no gun show loopholes.

Firearms laws are a state concern, not the feds. The interstate commerce clause has been overused and is a tool for tyranny.

Since firearms are a state concern, the feds have pretty much rolled up, squashed, and trampled all over the second amendment. The Post Office, Corp of Engineers, BLM, Parks Service, pretty much every fed alphabet agency has made infringing the second amendment their stock and trade.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws have exterminated hundreds of millions of people globally.

Please, explain this further as to how it is relevant? How is wanting people to go through a CHL course exterminating hundreds of millions of people in this situation?

Total confiscation historically is the end game where common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are placed on a country's citizens. CHLs are what I refer to as one of your reasonable restrictions.

The second amendment says nothing about training being required.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

gdanaher wrote:From the DMN:

"Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, introduced a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without obtaining a concealed handgun license."

Idk about that. I would like to keep CC the way it is, but add an OC option that would allow for licensed/unlicensed carry with proper certification like the CHL. I just don't want somebody to buy a gun who's never shot it, carry it around in public, and try to engage somebody without knowing the laws regarding the use of force, or having any training at all to hit their target and not kill innocent people.

So you do not support constitutional carry? How many more rights do you want restricted by requiring certain qualifications?

And you would support felons allowed to walk around unhindered with an AK and Pistol on their side because it's our right to bear arms.

I'm for common sense and for life preservation. I am not for restrictions as you so accuse, I am for safety and proficiency training, and a ID stating that you are not a felon and have accomplished certain training to help you better protect yourself and others.

Of course I do not support felons doing such and your throwing that out in response is a straw man. Felons cannot now legally own and possess firearms and constitutional carry does not negate those protections as is evident in Arizona. I guess before you take the fifth amendment to protect yourself or demand a search warrant or hand property over to the government you need to take a college course on rights to make certain you are trained.

Reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws have exterminated hundreds of millions of people globally.

joe817 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

gdanaher wrote:From the DMN:

"Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, introduced a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without obtaining a concealed handgun license."

Idk about that. I would like to keep CC the way it is, but add an OC option that would allow for licensed/unlicensed carry with proper certification like the CHL. I just don't want somebody to buy a gun who's never shot it, carry it around in public, and try to engage somebody without knowing the laws regarding the use of force, or having any training at all to hit their target and not kill innocent people.

Totally agree!That's a BAD IDEA!. Just asking for trouble.

CHLs are permission slips to exercise a right.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

gdanaher wrote:From the DMN:

"Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, introduced a bill that would allow people to carry handguns without obtaining a concealed handgun license."

Idk about that. I would like to keep CC the way it is, but add an OC option that would allow for licensed/unlicensed carry with proper certification like the CHL. I just don't want somebody to buy a gun who's never shot it, carry it around in public, and try to engage somebody without knowing the laws regarding the use of force, or having any training at all to hit their target and not kill innocent people.

So you do not support constitutional carry? How many more rights do you want restricted by requiring certain qualifications?

mojo84 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Taypo wrote:When I lived there, you could open carry without a permit but concealed required one. So nobody I knew or was aware of bothered with carrying concealed. Clear?

Crystal!

Sorry. I was wrong.

Hey mang! No problem! I do that a lot. The wife tells me so.

Dadtodabone wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Taypo wrote:

JSThane wrote:As someone that lives in an Open Carry state, I can tell y'all that most of the worries CHLers have about Open Carry are pretty much non-events. Nobody grabs an OC'er's gun. Nobody draws down on an OC'er. The cops might get called, but that's fairly rare, and even if you're somewhere that open carry is technically disallowed (places serving alcohol, etc), most cops will just give you a "you might wanna take that outside, because it's technically illegal in here" lecture.

I have my concealed-carry license for politeness' sake, and because sometimes I want to throw a jacket on. But it's real nice to not have to worry about "unconcealed firearms."

Thanks! I lived in AZ a while back and open carry was pretty prevalent, but nobody carried concealed. I understand that's changed now, but I've never lived in a state where both are allowed. Gonna get interesting when it happens.

Just curious. If you can't see concealed weapons, how do you know nobody carried concealed?

I bet he meant unconcealed.

From personal observation, OC in Arizona is more common now than it was just a few years ago. While they are few and far between in the Phoenix or Tucson metro areas, my sightings of OCers over a 6 week period this summer in small city and rural areas numbered in the hundreds. Williams, Flagstaff, Sedona, Prescott, Apache Jct., Payson, Show Low, Springerville/Eagar, Safford all had some.
Surprisingly, or maybe not, OC was more prevalent the further away from the International Border we were. I had the most sightings in Apache Junction!
A.J. is the jump off point for exploration of the Apache Trail, the Superstition Mountains and searches for the Lost Dutchman Mine as well as being the low cost alternative to the Sun City lifestyle for transient(Snow Birds) and permanent resident retirees. The retiree community is huge! There were lottsa grizzled old guys, like me, with SAA's or clones in public spaces.

Very cool.

Taypo wrote:When I lived there, you could open carry without a permit but concealed required one. So nobody I knew or was aware of bothered with carrying concealed. Clear?

Crystal!

Taypo wrote:

JSThane wrote:As someone that lives in an Open Carry state, I can tell y'all that most of the worries CHLers have about Open Carry are pretty much non-events. Nobody grabs an OC'er's gun. Nobody draws down on an OC'er. The cops might get called, but that's fairly rare, and even if you're somewhere that open carry is technically disallowed (places serving alcohol, etc), most cops will just give you a "you might wanna take that outside, because it's technically illegal in here" lecture.

I have my concealed-carry license for politeness' sake, and because sometimes I want to throw a jacket on. But it's real nice to not have to worry about "unconcealed firearms."

Thanks! I lived in AZ a while back and open carry was pretty prevalent, but nobody carried concealed. I understand that's changed now, but I've never lived in a state where both are allowed. Gonna get interesting when it happens.

Just curious. If you can't see concealed weapons, how do you know nobody carried concealed?