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Keith B wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: Cell phone electronics are spark generators. There are undoubtedly more instances of people igniting gasoline vapors while filling their cars and talking on the cell phone or having static from their bodies arc to ground when reaching for the nozzle.

Anygunanywhere

Well, partially true. There has never been a case of ignition from a cell phone documented. See http://www.pei.org/Index.aspx?p=36. The static discharge from the body to the car is the main culprit. I am also certified in propane handling due to refueling the balloon, and there has never been a fire caused by a cell phone with propane vapor, and it is MUCH more volatile than gasoline vapors.

Thanks for that info. I still leave my cell phone alone when pumping gas.

My point was that if oxygen and anesthesia was as potentially a hazard as we were reading then the regulatory agencies would have addressed the issue.

The fact that hospitals have oxygen present is no reason to ban concealed carry.

Can I get some cheap propane for my grill and RV, Keith?

Anygun

Keith B wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: Cell phone electronics are spark generators. There are undoubtedly more instances of people igniting gasoline vapors while filling their cars and talking on the cell phone or having static from their bodies arc to ground when reaching for the nozzle.

Anygunanywhere

Well, partially true. There has never been a case of ignition from a cell phone documented. See http://www.pei.org/Index.aspx?p=36. The static discharge from the body to the car is the main culprit. I am also certified in propane handling due to refueling the balloon, and there has never been a fire caused by a cell phone with propane vapor, and it is MUCH more volatile than gasoline vapors.

Thanks for that info. I still leave my cell phone alone when pumping gas.

My point was that if oxygen and anesthesia was as potentially a hazard as we were reading then the regulatory agencies would have addressed the issue.

The fact that hospitals have oxygen present is no reason to ban concealed carry.

Can I get some cheap propane for my grill and RV, Keith?

Anygun

Liko81 wrote: Try lighting your Bic in an intensive care ward and you will probably start a flash fire.

Not true.

If this was the case then the areas would be more highly regulated and fall under special electrical classifications of the National Electrical Code which classifies the types of equipment that is rated for hazardous atmospheres.

The first thing that would be eliminalted would be the standard electrical outlets that produce a spark each time a plug is inserted and removed then cell phones. Cell phone electronics are spark generators. There are undoubtedly more instances of people igniting gasoline vapors while filling their cars and talking on the cell phone or having static from their bodies arc to ground when reaching for the nozzle.

Open the back of your cell phone and it probably states "Not rated for hazardous atmospheres". Non-sparking devices will have the rating similar to "NEC CL1 DIV2 GR A, B, C, D". That is why typical cell phones are not allowed in refinery and chemical plants.

Areas that can reach high oxygen atmospheres are controlled too.

Anygunanywhere

Oxygen does not explode.

Oxygen is an oxidizer and vigorously supports combustion. When certain materials are exposed to oxygen concentrations above approximately 25% the combustion rate can dramatically increase.

The issue is the size of the oxygen lines in the wall and whether a high oxygen concentration could occur. I would expect that with normal ventilation if a bullet hit an O2 line the leak would be small enough that the concentration could be minimized.

An oxygen line hit by a bullet would not explode in flames. The materials used in oxygen service are very safe and suitable for the service.

The presence of oxygen or other gases and compounds used in the medical field should never be used as an excuse to prevent firearms in hospitals.

Individuals carrying cell phones and cigarette lighters in hospitals are much more dangerous than firearms around material leaks.

Anygunanywhere