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Paladin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:28 pm I call them malfunction drills and they are absolutely vital. I have found that even after initial training in malfunction drills (like tap-rack-assess in NRA Defensive Pistol) that students are actually slow to execute them. My advanced marksmanship class involves practicing immediate action drills with repetition to the point where students are executing them automatically. That is really where a defensive practitioner should be. But you can't effectively do that training all by yourself. Someone else has to set up the mix of live and dummy rounds (some like Paul Howe just have someone else load the pistol and sometimes leave it with an empty chamber)

Absolutely agree on the automanticity of actions that you will have to stake your life on. Draw stroke, reloading, malfunction drills, etc. For me, I have over 20 Glock magazines so it's easy to mix and match dummy rounds and magazines. My trouble is mostly trying to do this in an indoor range.

For me, I enjoy the randomness of when something happens that you've trained for and you can quickly respond. A malfunction. A dead battery on your optic. A fumble on your draw. LOL! A cramp when shooting from a kneeling position or rolling over something sharp when shooting from supine.

Whew. I would hope I would be able to act accordingly in a high stress situation like that but hope I never have to. I've done plenty of training (Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, Rangemaster) in the hopes to be able to handle situations like this. Unfortunately I do not think LEO's get anywhere near enough training to be on par with the level of threats they get. Case in point. Failure drills. I wonder how many LEO's would be able to deal quickly with some sort of firearm failure. I've had it come up in training classes (where it wasn't the focal point) where I had to clear a firearm and chamber a fresh round in a heart beat, either due to a stoppage or because of my own negligence of not loading around prior to an evolution. An example like I was not allowed to unholster my firearm and chamber a round prior to the stage starting and had to do an Israeli load.

Regarding shooting "someone in the back". I highly recommend taking Massad Ayoob's MAG 40, or at the very least, the "Armed Citizens Rules of Engagement" portion of it (it's two separate classes). My fuzzy memory mirrors what's been said here from his class. Basically it's allowed to stop a fleeing felon if he poses a threat that can continue or something like that. Like he has a weapon and he's fleeing and can poses more harm to others like he's killed others and will continue to do so if he escapes.