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by Jose_in_Dallas
Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Pistol mounted optics questions
Replies: 23
Views: 30403

Re: Pistol mounted optics questions

Great choice on the PDP. If I wasn't so deeply ingrained in the Glock world, it would be my choice for a home/carry gun. Great ergonomics, dot ready, I like the way they have two frame sizes and that the 3 different slide lengths can swap in between them, and it has a great stock trigger.
by Jose_in_Dallas
Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Pistol mounted optics questions
Replies: 23
Views: 30403

Re: Pistol mounted optics questions

Trijicon and the industry is now going towards tray mounted batteries. Not sure if Holosun came up with it first, but they certainly jump started the trend. The EPS is one of the next dots I'm considering.

My first dot was the Holosuns with the ACSS Vulcan reticle on it. I like it. But I'm likely moving on because I prefer the circle/dot reticle which the ACSS reticle does not have. It was my first PMO and it helped get me started.
by Jose_in_Dallas
Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Pistol mounted optics questions
Replies: 23
Views: 30403

Re: Pistol mounted optics questions

Just some of my thoughts.
  • You did not list what pistol you are using. Might be worth posting so all options can be shared.
  • I've been shooting red dots since January 2021. I wanted to get my feet wet too as I was having trouble focusing my eyes on sights, especially at distance and at night.
  • I decided to buy a separate slide and got it milled for an RMR footprint. At the time, I couldn't find a slide already milled (pandemic and supply chain issues) and I didn't want to make my stock slide permanent. Plus I had Robar do some custom work on my gun and wanted to be able to keep it "stock". No regrets with my decision, especially since Robar has since closed shop and I can easily swap slides so I have the best of both.
  • I would not dismiss the MOS Glock's. I have one but did not use the stock plates and went with one from C&H Precision. Not one single issue with it.
  • Since switching to a PMO (Pistol Mounted Optic since Red Dots are not necessarily "red"), I've taken a total of 6 training classes with 1 being a 5 day Gunsite 250 class specifically for PMO's last summer. The first class I took in late January 2021 was a learning experience as I had not had a lot of time behind the dot other than one range session and a lot of dry fire. At this point, I've very comfortable with shooting PMO's and have them on 3 of my Glocks and plan on adding a 4'th, either on my Langdon 92 or buying a Compact 92 with a PMO on it.
  • No experience with Green PMO's but I do have a Green Lit Trijicon 1-4X LPVO on my AR and my experience mimics what has been previously mentioned here. I pick up the Red easily enough during the day and it's what I had on my 3 PMO guns.
  • I would not skimp and buy a cheap PMO. It could lead to a bad experience and turn you off. That being said, I didn't want to spend the money on a Trijicon and went with the Holosun. I've heard nothing but good things about Holosun, other than rants from people who hate it because it's made in China. But the biggest selling point for me is it has a battery try and does not have to be unmounted to replace and have to be rezero'd. I have had nothing but a good experience with the 3 Holosun's I have.
  • My next PMO is going to be one with an enclosed emitter. I want to give it a try and for me, the one positive will be cleaning as the open emmiter optics are like cup catching all manners of dots. Not to big of a deal as I have an electric computer blower for the case and keyboard that I use regularly for blowing out all the lint. But keep in mind you want to do maintenance on it to keep it clean. Might sound like a big negative but it's not really a big deal. I've shot it both full of lint and full of water (one of the things they run you through at Gunsite)
  • In the past 2+ years, I've had just one bad experience with a dot. And it was with one I had picked up from Suarez International. Right before Glock came up with an MOS version of the 43x/48, I bought a custom package from Suarez where they milled one of their slides for an optic along with a comp. I had a bunch of trouble with the optic coming loose. It even came off one time at the range and the optic flew back and hit me on the head and landed hard on the concrete floor. Another pro for the Holosun, it still kept ticking. Took a couple of trips back to Suarez to get resolve. It was not a good experience with them.
  • And probably my most important thought. TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING. There is nothing better to get you used to shooting a PMO gun than lots of repetitions done during a multi day training class. Specifically one geared towards shooting a PMO. Not everyone has the time or money to go to Gunsite, but they are several classes that are occasionally offered in the DFW are, or within a reasonable driving distance, that can get you up to speed quickly. A good instructor will show you tips and tricks to help get you used to the dot.


I'm sure I've missed a few good points. Training and lots of repetitions/dry firing/presenting the gun to acquire the dot has really helped me. Some of the things that came out in my Gunsite class are things that have never really come up before in other classes I've taken. Like shooting the dot with it full of water and also with it turned off and using your irons. Hope this helps.

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