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rotor wrote:Yesterday saw a news report about pursuits and the claim was that there was one civilian killed for every 100 high speed pursuits. Company has come out with a cannon for police that shoots a gps device at the speeding car and allows tracking of the vehicle. Apparently $5k for the cannon and $250 per gps shot. Don't know how many civilians will be killed by getting hit with a gps device but something to consider. FYI only.

And 42% of that 1% are non involved parties. I totally support any new technologies

None, well most, of us are not economists and we could argue this for hours. I remember having skilled jobs making $10/hr (making dentures and crowns). I now make significantly more due to my skill increasing, however me making on par to someone at In-and-Out or chipotle shows things are different.

no need to throw around the most unskilled jobs as examples. Something is certainly wrong, however we live in a global economy more now than ever and need to make sure we have the smartest people. there will always be losers.... however there is no need for them to be us lol (my view of economics)

sunny beach wrote:

liberalwithagun wrote:Here comes the liberal in me: Shooting people is not the answer, finding the root of the problem is the solution;

Sandbags are not the answer to flooding but until a long term solution is in place to prevent floods, sandbags are a reasonable response to the immediate problem of water threatening your property.

I know it's popular to blame poverty for crime, but many of our grandparents had less material possessions and worse housing conditions than the poor in the USA today. I think the real cause of the problem is a society that condones criminality and parasitism as "lifestyle choices" instead of social rot.

When our grandparents were young the inflation adjusted minimum wage was also $12+/hr. and gas was a Nickle a gallon. times are tougher no doubt . while history should be a reference point, it really cheats us to lust after it. new world, new solutions.

However, I do believe that some people are just bad seeds. to the contrary, I amazed some stronger people don't resort to crime when dealt an extremely bad hand.

"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

Due to the fact it wasn't my property I didn't feel comfortable going out there; If none of the victims granted me retroactive permission, I would be in hot water. However the fact Austin police will not pursue individuals in fact gives you more justification to protect your *own* property under:

TITLE 2. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY
SubSection 3.A "The land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means"

IE I know the police will not pursue the criminals per policy (recovery), in conjunction with numerous "no duty to protect" judgments (protection).

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However the fact of the matter, no matter what many liberals think, most people do not want to take a life (myself included). Blood does not run through the streets.

Here comes the liberal in me: Shooting people is not the answer, finding the root of the problem is the solution; Whether is a drug problem (legalize it all, lower the costs overnight, destroy the cartels, and let them get high in their dedicated gov't supervised crack dens), lack of education(Pay good teachers more), ect. The hilarious thing you hear from criminals is in fact they are stealing to pay court cost and fines! (Think about it, your stuck with a $4k-20k court/reparations bill, that is the largest thing you will ever "purchase" in your life)

Now the conservative: They should be glad it wasn't my car.......nuff said.

None of them were my vehicles luckily... it hadn't been raining that night either, and it is a bit on the outskirts of town with very little traffic. I completely understand both sides, just glad those guys probably won't be back to this neighborhood. This is exactly why I don't keep a trunk gun in my car....

Well, I live next to the IRS building on hwys 35/71, brother in law woke us up saying people were breaking into vehicles. Long story short, they smashed the windows in on about 3-4 cars, ransacked them, then when the cops showed up they jumped in the getaway car and floored it. GUESS WHAT?! Austin PD isn't allowed to pursue them as per district policy, So they were about a block behind them, and dropped back (without getting a plate #) Anyways, I've been seeing smashed windows around this neighborhood recently. Seemed to be 3 Black males, but realistically it was dark and they could have been latino or white with gloves, hoodies ect. Wife didn't want me pulling a Zimmerman, so I stayed just watching.... Assuming the police were allowed to do their job here......

Not to double on a police encounter post. When I walked up the the cop I said: "To get this out of the way, I am a CHL holder and *I looked down*", He replied: "Yea ok" Nothing more than that.