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Your instructor is mistaken, but you need to update your out of state permits so that they reflect your correct address.

I think the open carry debate is getting us no where, and is getting us off topic. I do agree that constitutional carry would solve the issue, but constitutional carry is not open carry. Constitutional carry is unlicensed open AND concealed carry, which I feel should be our long term goal for solving this issue among others. The short term (meaning: before the next legislature) solution I feel is education. We need to educate the general public about the benefits (As mentioned by stephengauntt) of a Texas CHL over a non-resident license. Our mid-range solution (meaning for the next legislative session) should be the reforms outlined by Mr. Cotton, along with any others we can come up with.

apostate wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:Charles,

Is there maybe some legal means by which we can shut these yahoos down. Possibly a preemptive strike by getting someone to introduce a bill making these guys illegal, not the permits?

It seems like a West Virginian is offering classes for a Virginian license. The Texas Legislature has no authority to regulate the WV instructor teaching the class nor the VA State Police issuing the license.

However, the Virginia Legislature could pass a law requiring classes to be conducted in Virginia, in person, to satisfy their CHP training requirement. That may be your best shot.

I think I see what Dragonfighter is trying get across. Rather than allow other state's classes to be taught in Texas, make it law that only a Texas CHL class can be taught in Texas. Unfortunately that might have some negative effects that I would rather not go into. I think a 4 hour + range time course would be ideal, and that falls in line with my wish of making the Texas CHL easier for people to get. The problem that we will encounter with making it easier for people to get the Texas CHL is that we will encounter the Brady's, and associates, screaming "The NRA/TSRA/whoever wants to let criminals carry a concealed handgun by removing the prohibition on criminals who have successfully completed deferred adjudication." They will probably follow that up with "after that who knows, maybe they will want to let wife beaters carry guns next!" The good news is that the NRA, TSRA, and Charles have seen this all before and know what their doing as well as knowing how to counter those arguments. As for reducing the fee for a CHL, I doubt there is anything we can do legislatively that will not hurt us on other fronts.

I can see a bill that would require a resident license to carry being amended to reduce the fee in an effort to poison pill it, but it could as easily get us reduced fees and no out of state licenses for residents. We can also look at how to influence a bill to limit non-resident licenses to minimise the damage. So lets say a bill looks to have a good chance of passing, we can amend it so that only Texas residents are required to have a Texas License to carry or similar language. The problem with that is past/current/future/potential allies and enemies alike will attack us for doing it. My personal opinion is that we should also entertain a Hail Mary type bill that would be so offensive to the anti's that it would draw a very significant portion of their attention and effort to kill, and if that bill actually makes it into law even better (I have have a few ideas, but I don't want to go into them at this time). Such a strategy would use political capital that we would prefer to be spent elsewhere (because it has to look like a real effort) so it is not something that the NRA/TSRA really want to do. Although you can see how effective such a strategy is by looking at how Campus Carry helped us with our other two flagship bills this session by drawing a lot of the anti's political capital (although it's not a Hail Mary type deal).

But as tired as I am I need to quit rambling and get some rest so I can think straight.