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Good stuff to know. Thanks for clearing the waters for me!

jbarn wrote:

avarusbrightfyre wrote:

jbarn wrote:

avarusbrightfyre wrote:Bah, I always move too soon. Part of it says:
Want to know something interesting? 4413 no longer exists. ;)

That may be true, but the first point stating employees must have permission from the City Manager is still valid.

Actually, it is true. And when you write they "Must" have permission, at what consequence?

I wasn't debating whether it is true or not...I'm sure it is. My point was that the city still enforces a policy which states that employees aren't allowed to be armed while on the clock. There would be no legal consequence, since they can't lawfully disarm me in a public building, but they can fire me if they found out I was carrying. I've already made the decision that my life is worth more than my job, so I'm risking whatever consequences come my way in that department.

On a separate note, I am not technically employed by the city, but by a temp agency and I'm just working at the library. It just occurred to me that city directives may not apply to me. That being said, I've never been one to "parse the rules", so I go to work knowing that I could probably get fired if anyone found out.

Just out of curiosity, could my CHL be revoked if the city reported my employment violation to DPS or the police? I know there are circumstances where DPS can revoke your license (or charge you with a crime) for things like failing to heed a private owner's warning to not bring a firearm onto his property or other "belligerent" things like that with regard to firearms. I know this is city property (public property) and things like that shouldn't apply, but I figured I'd ask the question anyway. It's one thing to risk your job, it's another to risk losing my license or being thrown into jail because I'm knowingly disregarding city policy and since it's a firearm related matter I'm sure they'll be a lot more harsh about it.

jbarn wrote:

avarusbrightfyre wrote:Bah, I always move too soon. Part of it says:

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Firearms At The Workplace
Employees shall not carry or possess a firearm in the course and scope of their employment except in the following circumstances:

They are required to do so by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties
They are retired Peace Officers who have been issued a Certificate of Proficiency by the Fort Worth Police Department in compliance with Section 1701.357 of the Texas State Occupations Code and are required to carry a firearm by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties.
Employees who are licensed by the State of Texas under Article 4413 (29ee), Texas Revised Civil Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun likewise shall not carry or possess a concealed handgun in the course of scope of their employment unless required to do so by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties.

Nothing in this policy shall be construed to prohibit or regulate the carrying of handguns in employee-owned motor vehicles by an employee who has a valid license to carry a concealed handgun under Article 4413 (29ee), Texas Revised Civil Statutes. (revised June 1, 2004)

Any employee found in violation of this regulation shall be disciplined. Such discipline may include termination.
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So unless the city manager gives me permision, I'm out of luck.

Want to know something interesting? 4413 no longer exists. ;)

That may be true, but the first point stating employees must have permission from the City Manager is still valid.

Bah, I always move too soon. Part of it says:

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Firearms At The Workplace
Employees shall not carry or possess a firearm in the course and scope of their employment except in the following circumstances:

They are required to do so by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties
They are retired Peace Officers who have been issued a Certificate of Proficiency by the Fort Worth Police Department in compliance with Section 1701.357 of the Texas State Occupations Code and are required to carry a firearm by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties.
Employees who are licensed by the State of Texas under Article 4413 (29ee), Texas Revised Civil Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun likewise shall not carry or possess a concealed handgun in the course of scope of their employment unless required to do so by the City Manager as part of their assigned duties.

Nothing in this policy shall be construed to prohibit or regulate the carrying of handguns in employee-owned motor vehicles by an employee who has a valid license to carry a concealed handgun under Article 4413 (29ee), Texas Revised Civil Statutes. (revised June 1, 2004)

Any employee found in violation of this regulation shall be disciplined. Such discipline may include termination.
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So unless the city manager gives me permision, I'm out of luck.

WildBill wrote:

avarusbrightfyre wrote:Is there a Fort Worth city ordinance somewhere prohibiting employees from concealed carry at the library? I'm almost certain there is, but I can't seem to find it. I know schools, court buildings and Fed buildings are off limites, as well as properly posted signs on private property, but I'm not sure the library qualifies. No one seems to know if there is a library policy on it, but with the kind of people that come in here, it would be an excellent idea to have someone armed. My boss doesn't seem to have a clue, so I'm trying to research it myself. Any help would be appreciated.

First of all, IANAL, this is not legal advice. I don't believe there would be a city ordinance, it would be part of the policy manual. Most employees are give a copy of the policy manual when they are hired and are usually required to sign a statement that they have read it. Since your boss doesn't seem to have a clue [very strange], I would go to the Human Resource department and ask for a copy of the policy manual. I wouldn't specifically ask for the gun or weapons policy, but just the employee handbook. I would also bet that there is a copy online which you can read.

http://fortworthtexas.gov/hr/prr/section.aspx?id=66190" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://fortworthtexas.gov/hr/prr/section.aspx?id=66192" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now how did you find THAT? I looked all through the website trying to specifically find that sort of page. I'm running the idea up through my supervisor to hopefully get a definitive answer (since it says no "unauthorized" weapons). Hopefully, I'll get lucky and they won't have a problem with it (guess it really depends on how high up the chain it has to go). My immediate supervisor and the manager are all for it (given some of the violent people we have come in here), but I can imagine the uppity ups will have a problem with it.

Anyway, thanks for the help!

Is there a Fort Worth city ordinance somewhere prohibiting employees from concealed carry at the library? I'm almost certain there is, but I can't seem to find it. I know schools, court buildings and Fed buildings are off limites, as well as properly posted signs on private property, but I'm not sure the library qualifies. No one seems to know if there is a library policy on it, but with the kind of people that come in here, it would be an excellent idea to have someone armed. My boss doesn't seem to have a clue, so I'm trying to research it myself. Any help would be appreciated.