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by thetexan
Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:30 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Confusion with too many rules
Replies: 48
Views: 9397

Re: Confusion with too many rules

DonFromTexas wrote:OK, someone posted that is is OK to carry in a church that is not posted. Easy to remember.
Then another poster posted this, which seems to me to be a total contradiction. What am I missing?

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder’s person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing facility licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing facility administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
I think you must surmise that you cannot engage in the adventure of handgun carriage without being a subject matter expert on the topic. And the way you do that is to first read and study. Here is a tip for learning technical material. Start by reading the rules quickly over and over about 5 times. Don't try to understand any of it. Just read. By doing this you are programming your brain for familiarity with the words on the page.

Then study separate topics for comprehension. Diagram or draw what is being said until YOU see it and understand it. Above all do not rely on the forum or any conversation to educate you. Do that yourself, just you and the rules. Otherwise, you will be less than knowledgeable on this subject and will be a slave to the last person who told you anything.

The book is the great argument stopper. Know the book. When you need help to clarify something then ask but even then trust nothing but the book! Careful study on the subject of carrying in church would have easily revealed the facts and rumors or guesses by others wouldn't lead you into confusion.

KNOW THE BOOK. Then you will recognize counterfeit information when you hear it.

And yes, it's somewhat complicated. So is flying airliners and teaching pilots to do so. But that's the nature of learning your business of carrying firearms in Texas.

But we're glad to help. Start by careful and thorough study of the rules.

tex
by thetexan
Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:40 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Confusion with too many rules
Replies: 48
Views: 9397

Re: Confusion with too many rules

cbunt1 wrote:It does feel a bit overwhelming at first. I remember the constant wondering about whether I was "OK" to carry.

This is oversimplifying, but frankly the places you can't carry are few enough to be an exception rather than the rule.

For most people, certain restaurants/bars, picking up the kids at school, going to the post office, and renewing the tags on your car are the most common "Maybe" questions.

Post Office is a no-go -- Federal Property
Car tags/title -- MAY be in a building that's off-limits (Lots of questions there) due to courtrooms or offices
Picking up the kids/grandkids at school -- Generally fine as long as you're staying in your car.
Restaurants: As long as it's not a 51% location, and it's not posted with 30.06 or 30.07, it's fine.

This is a GROSS oversimplification, but I find that it covers 80% of the "oh really? I can do that?" for the brand new carrier.

As always, this forum is a great resource for those questions.
Like so many other rules in any discipline it sometimes helps to draw these thing out in a diagram.

The way I teach it to my students is this...there are 13 places expressly enumerated where you cannot carry. (This does not deal with peace officers, active military, or security guards). Every where else is available to you!

Let me state it again...EVERY WHERE ELSE is available for you to carry!!!

EXCEPT...where proper notification is given according to 30.06 and 30.07!

So all you have to do is know the big 13 and understand 30.06 and 30.07. It is actually that simple. So when n doubt ask yourself if the place is on the list of 13 and if not...have you been PROPERLY (key word) notified? If not then CC or OC at will as appropriate.

tex

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