So only property owners can vote? Didn't we try that one once before.. :-)
I get what you're saying though... However, even if you rent, property taxes will have a direct impact on your out of pocket....
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- Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:30 am
- Forum: Other States
- Topic: California has doubled down on stupidity
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- Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:01 pm
- Forum: Other States
- Topic: California has doubled down on stupidity
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Re: California has doubled down on stupidity
VM, I don't think that there are very many people who want to put guns in the hands of criminals. You go on to spin it a bit, indicating that progressives consider citizens criminals, so that means that progressives want people to have guns... You know I agree with a lot of your ideals, but a lot of this just comes off as so polarizing that it's unbelievable and the logic is tough to follow. I hear your frustration loud and clear.
People, especially conservatives, want to come off as "tough on crime". And that's fine. But we're already locking up way too many people and you and I are paying out of our pockets to keep them locked up. Sorry, but if they want to make choices that might hurt THEM and no one else, that's fine with me. Lock those up that are a danger to other people, but our drug policy is ridiculous, ineffective, and outrageously expensive... I'm just saying no thanks to that.
Our founding fathers perhaps didn't trust the population to vote. I don't know that I do either. We've got people that vote straight ticket, which is fine, except when you've got some people riding that party that really aren't what the political party is. I suppose it's more effective than not voting at all. It takes a lot of time to study the ballot that you're going to cast and you can't just make up your mind based on party affiliation at the polling booth. And I know several people here in Travis county that voted "no" for "Prop 1" because they thought it was related to light rail, even though they don't live in Austin and that wasn't even on the ballot!
People, especially conservatives, want to come off as "tough on crime". And that's fine. But we're already locking up way too many people and you and I are paying out of our pockets to keep them locked up. Sorry, but if they want to make choices that might hurt THEM and no one else, that's fine with me. Lock those up that are a danger to other people, but our drug policy is ridiculous, ineffective, and outrageously expensive... I'm just saying no thanks to that.
Our founding fathers perhaps didn't trust the population to vote. I don't know that I do either. We've got people that vote straight ticket, which is fine, except when you've got some people riding that party that really aren't what the political party is. I suppose it's more effective than not voting at all. It takes a lot of time to study the ballot that you're going to cast and you can't just make up your mind based on party affiliation at the polling booth. And I know several people here in Travis county that voted "no" for "Prop 1" because they thought it was related to light rail, even though they don't live in Austin and that wasn't even on the ballot!
- Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:31 pm
- Forum: Other States
- Topic: California has doubled down on stupidity
- Replies: 12
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Re: California has doubled down on stupidity
We've got an entire political movement that wants to put guns in the hands of criminals? Come on....
I read through some of the details based on the indication above that theft of firearms is now downgraded. That's probably true in some cases where firearms are just another form of property.
At the risk of sounding like a California Liberal (VM: Progressive) - or worse - what I like about Prop 47:
It strikes at the War on Drugs. No, I don't think we should legalize everything, but putting people in prison for non-violent drug offenses is a losing proposition... It costs too much money, it doesn't solve the problem, and it creates a situation where the "criminal" can't very easily become a productive member of society again because they are now a felon, which further pushes them into a downward spiral.
I know.. "criminal" "their choice"...
However, too many people make those mistakes and I don't want to be on the hook for paying to keep them in prison... In prison, they're fed on my dime, don't have to contribute to society, and still have access to drugs. Way to many people in prison for making the wrong choices which in many cases don't cause any harm to society.
It would have been nice to see exceptions in Prop 47 - like retaining a felony for firearm theft, but viewed as a whole, it's a strike at a policy that is both ineffective and expensive.
I read through some of the details based on the indication above that theft of firearms is now downgraded. That's probably true in some cases where firearms are just another form of property.
At the risk of sounding like a California Liberal (VM: Progressive) - or worse - what I like about Prop 47:
It strikes at the War on Drugs. No, I don't think we should legalize everything, but putting people in prison for non-violent drug offenses is a losing proposition... It costs too much money, it doesn't solve the problem, and it creates a situation where the "criminal" can't very easily become a productive member of society again because they are now a felon, which further pushes them into a downward spiral.
I know.. "criminal" "their choice"...
However, too many people make those mistakes and I don't want to be on the hook for paying to keep them in prison... In prison, they're fed on my dime, don't have to contribute to society, and still have access to drugs. Way to many people in prison for making the wrong choices which in many cases don't cause any harm to society.
It would have been nice to see exceptions in Prop 47 - like retaining a felony for firearm theft, but viewed as a whole, it's a strike at a policy that is both ineffective and expensive.