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by cb1000rider
Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:00 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.
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Re: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

gigag04 wrote: I'm half tempted not to take the bait, but what you're saying, while technically true, does not reflect how things actually play out. For instance if I get an anonymous tip that you're selling dope, but I see you riding a bike without a headlight at night, guess what my PC will be based upon.

I agree with you there.. We certainly see lots of circumstances where there is a difference in allowed procedure (legally) and practiced procedure (practically). I'm of the opinion that this could be solved with a higher bar for our LEOs and better training, but it would cost more...
by cb1000rider
Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:48 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.
Replies: 87
Views: 8541

Re: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

E.Marquez wrote:
cb1000rider wrote: why tolerate LEO contact on legal behavior?
The same reason we tolerate and outright demand they stop someone who might be driving drunk, might be involved in selling drugs, might have been involved in a fight reported, might be the guy called in by a 911 caller as having been involved in a hit and run.
None of those calls are about legal behavior.

So if there was a call about illegal or suspicious behavior, I get it... I understand why you might have to initiate contact.
My understanding is that if there is a call - that call must provide credible and specific information about what sort of questionable activity might be going on.
I also understand that these days it would be pretty bad if a call was made, it was not responded to, and there was a legitimate incident. You can initiate consensual contact without any basis of cause.

You can't call the police and say that I "might be selling drugs" - that's not enough to initiate non-consensual contact with me. You'd need to tell them that you saw me buy or sell something that looked like or was known to be drugs - or describe some behavior that warranted culpable suspicion. You can't expect them to stop me if I "might be drunk" - you'd need to see and report me for drinking, swerving, or perhaps (really low bar) frequenting an area where alcohol is sold...
by cb1000rider
Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:25 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.
Replies: 87
Views: 8541

Re: Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

Beiruty wrote: For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?
Bingo. Let's call the spade a spade and be done with it. Right to bear arms does not exist in this state even with long guns or antiques. We've been shown that several times.

If you don't want to call it like it is, why tolerate LEO contact on legal behavior?

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