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Oldgringo wrote:Not our fight/war, eh?

IIRC, the United States wasn't particularly interested in getting involved with the Japs and the Germans back in 1939-1941 until the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor and German U-Boats started sinking US ships.

G26ster wrote:

Iranian troops don't have to be impressive, just ok (and there a lot of them).

In the 70's they never reached the level of "OK"

Egypt has M1 tanks and modern attack helicopters.

And when ISIS threatens to kill their families at home, and they abandon their equipment as they did in the '67 war, and these tanks fall into ISIS hands, just like the troops that fled in Iraq, guess who has them now.

if Italy can't defend itself from these hacks they deserve to fall

By "hacks" do you mean "junior varsity?"

No worries though, the sea will keep the Italians safe, just like the Atlantic and Pacific oceans did for us on 9/11.

G26ster wrote:
It doesn't matter if ISIS gets material support directly from governments, whether it simply takes the material by conquest, or buys the materials through massive funds obtained by stealing national assets (oil), blackmail, kidnapping, or other under the radar fundraising. It is growing daily, and my question remains unanswered. How is ISIS being "contained," when it is spreading to other countries, whether by direct attack or by sympathetic groups in those countries pledging their allegiance and joining forces? Fact is, it's spreading.

G26ster wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

G26ster wrote:I've read the article last night. I take exception with one major point being expressed here:

"As Cedar Park Dad pointed out, ISIS is being contained, and that is the very best we can hope for."

if ISIS is being "contained," how is that it has recently spread out of Iraq/Syria to Libya and beyond?

Link to AP story on ISIS in Libya.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/18 ... t-gadhafi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was always in Libya. Turns out Khaddafy wasn't lying when he said he was fighting terrorists in his own country.

Of course, but "spreading and not being contained" does not necessarily mean that groups have to travel across borders to spread. Fundamentalist groups that adhere to the medieval Koranic texts exist in all Muslim countries I would think, and those groups are joining ISIS, and control of those groups is being conducted by ISIS leadership in Syria. Communism didn't spread by groups crossing borders outside of eastern Europe, it spread to the Asian continent, and the west (Cuba) by groups with the same ideology joining alliances with the Soviets. The same with ISIS. It simply does not matter "how" this ideology spreads. To fight the ideology, one has to destroy the leadership and the core groups to have a chance.

G26ster wrote:I've read the article last night. I take exception with one major point being expressed here:

"As Cedar Park Dad pointed out, ISIS is being contained, and that is the very best we can hope for."

if ISIS is being "contained," how is that it has recently spread out of Iraq/Syria to Libya and beyond?

Link to AP story on ISIS in Libya.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/18 ... t-gadhafi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mojo84 wrote:The president is pretty much implementing your strategy. We see the results.

I'm done with this as I'm tired of the insinuations you are making. They are offensive and flat out wrong.

Oh no! Let's just kill the bad adults and the kids will grow up to be good muslims with government jobs, right?

mojo84 wrote:I agree, much of it is not our fight. However, there is no way we can just isolate ourselves and think we will be immune from attack.

Why are the people not turning against the "occupiers"?

How long did Osama Bin Laden hide in plain sight for so long?

Did the 9/11 hijackers swim across the Rio Grande? You are over simplifying it.

By the way, collateral damage is part of war. It's not a " war crime".

mojo84 wrote:

Its a sunni/shiite war.

It may have started as that. It is no longer limited to a fight between the shiites and sunnis. We "infidels" are in their cross hairs as well. Google "Islamic terrorism on American soil". They are going after Christians, Jews and anyone else that doesn't believe as they do.

We can't stop them from killing each other over their. That will never end. We must stop them from killing Christians, Jews and others that are not part of the Muslim infighting. The problem is they want to convert everyone to Islam by coercion and threat.

It's going to become more prevalent in our towns and cities. We need to be prepared to defend ourselves and our families. However, I'd rather kill them over there than in my neighborhood.

As far as throwing out the term " war crimes " . We are not fighting a tradition war against a uniformed military. Their fighters are intermingled in and amongst their civilian noon combatants. As long as they are willing to put their people at risk by using them as shields and cover, that is their choice. We can't allow them to continue to operate and kill us just because they are surrounding themselves with their families and fellow believers. It is their choice and chosen strategy.

Oldgringo wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

Wait did you just support genocide?

Oh no! Let's just kill the bad adults and the kids will grow up to be good muslims with government jobs, right?

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

mojo84 wrote:Opening McDonalds and burger kings over there and giving them jobs isn't going to do it.

Diplomacy isn't working. Guess the answer is kill them before they kill us.

Ever tried negotiating with a rabid animal?