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VMI77 wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:I'm sure physical stature played a big role in the grand jury's decision. The officer should be disciplined within his department for violating policy. I can't see convicting him of manslaughter though. It was a freak accident and I see big changes coming to law enforcement. I see officers going for their taser before going hands on since tasers are deemed safe. People will still die but it will be written off as technical error.

Here comes the Godwin. I certain group of guys in awesomely terrifying uniforms were just following policy. We bombed them, invaded them, killed them and hung a few of them for it.

Following policy or not should not protect you from what you do.

Oh come on, admit it, those uniforms were really cool looking. The one thing about that certain group is that they knew their symbols and knew how to dress. Oh yeah, and they had some pretty awesome martial music too. In fact, when it comes to military music, no one else even comes close.

A-R wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:I'm sure physical stature played a big role in the grand jury's decision. The officer should be disciplined within his department for violating policy. I can't see convicting him of manslaughter though. It was a freak accident and I see big changes coming to law enforcement. I see officers going for their taser before going hands on since tasers are deemed safe. People will still die but it will be written off as technical error.

Here comes the Godwin. I certain group of guys in awesomely terrifying uniforms were just following policy. We bombed them, invaded them, killed them and hung a few of them for it.

Following policy or not should not protect you from what you do.

Are you honestly comparing American Law Enforcement to Nazis? Really?

That comparison is a special kind of stupid and inflammatory. Godwin indeed.

nightmare69 wrote:I'm sure physical stature played a big role in the grand jury's decision. The officer should be disciplined within his department for violating policy. I can't see convicting him of manslaughter though. It was a freak accident and I see big changes coming to law enforcement. I see officers going for their taser before going hands on since tasers are deemed safe. People will still die but it will be written off as technical error.

Teamless wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Teamless wrote: If you resist, you will be dealt with.

If you resist you will die?
Avoiding so many Godwin references right now.

What if you quit resisting (as occurred). Do you still have to die?

Nope, you shouldnt die if you resist, but if you resist, you should expect consequences of your actions

if in the consequences, you die, fall and break an ankle or get a black eye, how is one to know?


Sorry, as law abiding people, we all know we should follow the law and will never win a road side victory as a court of law.

if we do not like the laws, CHANGE THEM. Resisting arrest wont change them --- at least at that time and place

I read somewhere that it was the new NYC mayor that told the PD to crack down on illegal cigarette sales.

Teamless wrote: If you resist, you will be dealt with.

VMI77 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:By the way, I understand that a single pack of cigarettes in NYC, with the city, state and federal taxes runs about $14.00. That would make a carton cost around $140.00. That's what has spurred the sale of single cigarettes, smuggled from neighboring states. I can remember buying a pack of cigarettes as a teenager for a quarter. Some of this problem can be placed on outrageous tax laws. The cops don't get to pick and choose the laws they must enforce (well, unless they're Holder or Obama).

Actually they do. Always have and always will, since like every other organization on the planet, the resources available to them put constraints on their activities. But hey, since they've solved all the violent crime, thefts, and rapes, I guess they got plenty of resources to arrest and kill people for selling cigarettes. On, and btw, according to witnesses, the officer who killed this guy flipped off the crowd after he did it. What does that say about attitude?

nightmare69 wrote:Policies on LVNR differ from department to department. I've had it done to me a bunch in training and honestly you are never aware that you went to sleep for a few seconds. It only takes a few seconds to put someone to sleep if used correctly.

anygunanywhere wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I bet it's similar to the old professional wrestling sleeper hold.

Wresling is real, man!!

mojo84 wrote:Would it have killed a healthy man?

carlson1 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

A-R wrote:For those who think the NYPD cop is guilty or at least have some qualms about what he did, answer this:

How do you propose the police affect a lawful arrest on a 400-pound man who is actively (though not yet violently) resisting said arrest? Please spare us the arguments about "it was just cigarettes" and understand that cops don't make the law (Bloomberg made the law, if you want to point fingers), they merely enforce it.

When Garner began actively resisting, should the cops have just let him go because arresting him was too difficult?

Should they have used a different tactic? Guns are a no go. Tasers? Pepper spray? What would those weapons have done to a man in Garner's physical condition? Baton strikes to the legs?

Serious question looking for serious answers.

Taser.

With heart trouble the taser would have probably killed him, then what?