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Abraham wrote:One other consideration regarding pepper spray and dogs: Not all dogs will be discouraged even with a perfect hit in the eyes, ears, nose, mouth.

However, most will.

I had a Rottweiler attack me while out cycling. He was running to my immediate right and was getting closer and closer to my right leg when I unleashed a perfect hit of pepper spray from eyes to mouth.

He promptly dropped away and looking into my bar end mirror, I could see him stopped in the middle of the road shaking his head. Then to my horror, he restarted the chase and quickly caught back up to me. I pedal a mountain bike. They're not known for great speed unless you have a heavy wind behind you or are going downhill...

At this point, we passed by his apparent owner walking along the side of the road, who loudly commanded the dog to stop and fortunately he did.

And there was one other time I sprayed and accurately sprayed, but the dog didn't even seemed fazed. As it turned out, he didn't have enough stamina to stay with me and soon dropped off the chase, but I don't think it was the spray that stopped him. Old age maybe...

Without exaggeration, I've been dog attacked quite literally hundreds of times while out cycling. I cycle well out in the country. I've recently upped my milage from 25 miles a day to 28/30 so now I've even greater opportunity to avail myself to even more attacks. I've tried a variety of different routes, but no matter where I pedal there's always free ranging/attacking dogs. And, I'll be darned if I'm just going to stay home...

Rarely, do I go on a ride that I'm not attacked.

I buy pepper spray by the case.

I like Freeze +P - a combination of pepper spray and tear gas.

Abraham wrote:texas yankee,

Consider buying some Sudecon Decontamination Wipes and take them with you where ever you may come into contact with an attacking dog and get some of the spray on yourself or someone you care about. The wipes are very efficient at pain reduction. If you get spray in your eyes you can squeeze out some drops directly into your eyes and the pain will go away.

They're available at Defensive Devices for $1.49 or so.

Also, as I have mucho experience fending off attacking dogs with pepper spray while cycling, never spray above eye level or into the wind, for obvious reasons...

Also, an effective technique if the dog/dogs are attacking from the rear, don't turn around to spray if you're cycling. You have a great chance of crashing. Simply hold the can upside, while continuing to look ahead, press the trigger and rapidly wave it back and forth behind your back. (like the mark of Zorro)

I've actually experienced greater accuracy with effective spraying using this technique vs. spraying directly at them.

Also, if you use a stream style spray and have a direct ahead shot, aim just above the dogs head, again using the Zorro waving method rather a single stream. If you aim directly at the eyes or nose the spray will generally go low and miss.

threoh8 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: However, if you stop and think about it, that is the same standard that we all operate under with other human beings. I'm not allowed to shoot someone because he told me......from 10-20 feet away......that he was going to whip my butt.

I think a more apt analogy would be an agitated person 10-20 feet away waving knives, yelling, "I'll cut you, man!" over and over.

How fast can a dog do the knife part of a Tueller drill?

SRVVR wrote:

victory wrote:

SRVVR wrote:Did I accidentally stumble onto the forum for Mom's Demand Action for Common Sense Dog Control or Everytown for Dog Safety?

No. I don't see anybody saying only the police and military need GSD. I don't see anybody saying we need to close the dog show loophole. I don't even see anybody saying there should be a required class and $140 fee for a five year license if you want to walk your dog in public.

I see people saying they will defend themselves. If some stranger comes on my property and points a gun at me, and I defend myself, that doesn't make me antigun.

Great comparison, a dog running at you is the same threat level as a stranger pointing a gun at you.
As gun owners, we are constantly asking the populace to look at all the facts and take the time to understand the way of the gun (not the movie) before passing their own judgement. Just asking for the same courtesy across the board.

Anyway, y'all have a good rest of the weekend.

Abraham wrote:victory,

Some folks think their dogs should roam free and there's another name for them: Inconsiderate Idiots!

Another dog story: I was attacked by 3 dogs on one of my fitness cycle rides. I peppered sprayed them effectively stopping the attack.

Just as I continued to pedal on, two guys in a pickup slowed down and the driver obviously angry, yelled at me "I'd like to see you come to my neighborhood and spray MY DOGS! He was outraged! I said nothing in order to avoid escalating his anger. They drove on.

Apparently, it was O.K. for the dogs to attack me, in this man's opinion, but not for me to defend myself.

This weird attitude baffles me.

What?

I'm supposed to LET THEM harm me?

Evidently, this yahoo thinks dogs SHOULD BE ALLOWED to attack humans. They're the victims, not the human, me.

Inconsiderate Idiot!

BTW, these were large 50/60 lb. mixed breed dogs, not some little cute dogs.

SRVVR wrote:Did I accidentally stumble onto the forum for Mom's Demand Action for Common Sense Dog Control or Everytown for Dog Safety? Lots of unfounded F.U.D. being parlayed around that mimics the misinformation presented by all of the gun control groups most of you ramble on about. Dig those heels in fellas...

Abraham wrote:Those that own dogs and let them roam free are idiots.

Why do I say this?

Not only because I'm attacked by the free rangers, but the hideous number I see dead by the side of the road, obviously hit by vehicles.

Don't let your dog run free.

It's certainly not in his/her best interest, but not in humanitys in general.

If you want to keep your dogs, keep them at home or on leash. I have shot many dogs on my properties over the years and will not hesitate to do so again if I feel they are a threat. I place no animal's life over that of any person.

suthdj wrote:So you have 2 pits, twins, 1 raised to be mean and the other loving. Your out walking with your 5yo and wife and one of these dogs is running at/to you are you going to wait for it to bite/lick you to deterimine your course of action, so by its very action of not being restrained it is a threat even when it might not be. Hate to say it to all the excuse makers if your dog is loose and gets shot or hit by a car look no further than the mirrior for someone to blame.

cb1000rider wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
A loose pit bull, which is what this referred to, most definitely is.

I don't agree with that. Pit bulls certainly are intimidating, but just like Chiuauas (which are statistically much more likely to bite you) - they have varying demeanors. Some will be no threat at all and some will be a serious threat. You're right to pay more attention to an "aggressive breed" that's loose, as typically they're more physically capable, but they are not necessarily a threat.

rentz wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote: If your dog is loose, by its very nature its a threat to everything around it.

This may be the most uninformed generalization I have read today.

if your dog gets out of its gate or house and someone has your same attitude are you fine if they shoot it? By your very statement you believe your dog is a threat once it escapes

a loose dog does not equal a dangerous dog, no more than a guy having a few guys at a bar is a drunk driver

rentz wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

rentz wrote:

Salty1 wrote:As long as the dog is actually dangerous and attacking I doubt there would be any issues. The problem one may encounter is considering a barking dog dangerous when in fact it is just making noise and looking for attention. I would be quite upset if somebody shot one of my Golden retrievers because they were running around barking looking for affection, fortunately they do not run loose.......

Bingo, and i really think based on several events over the past year involving officers and dog's that people may be too quick to shoot a dog thinking they are in danger. To me it's just like any other situation, is your life and body really in danger or is there a peaceful escape of the situation without having to draw your sidearm.

I can say I don't know what I would do if someone shot my dog (who is a "dangerous breed" ) but it probably wouldn't be anything good, dogs are like family to me.

I'm in a similar situation and if someone shot one of my dogs we would have a real problem. I'm the proud father of three docile pit bulls, but that doesn't mean there aren't people that think they are about to be attacked if one of the dogs just looks at them.

Don't shoot dogs.

If your pit is off a leash and comes near me I'd empty a mag in it and not give it another thought.

well that just sounds perfectly reasonable now doesn't it?
make sure to scream OMG it's coming right for us first (southpark joke for those who dont get it)

My erstwhile Great Dane was a magnet for dog attacks. Even little dogs wanted to challenge him.

TVGuy wrote:

rentz wrote:

Salty1 wrote:As long as the dog is actually dangerous and attacking I doubt there would be any issues. The problem one may encounter is considering a barking dog dangerous when in fact it is just making noise and looking for attention. I would be quite upset if somebody shot one of my Golden retrievers because they were running around barking looking for affection, fortunately they do not run loose.......

Bingo, and i really think based on several events over the past year involving officers and dog's that people may be too quick to shoot a dog thinking they are in danger. To me it's just like any other situation, is your life and body really in danger or is there a peaceful escape of the situation without having to draw your sidearm.

I can say I don't know what I would do if someone shot my dog (who is a "dangerous breed" ) but it probably wouldn't be anything good, dogs are like family to me.

I'm in a similar situation and if someone shot one of my dogs we would have a real problem. I'm the proud father of three docile pit bulls, but that doesn't mean there aren't people that think they are about to be attacked if one of the dogs just looks at them.

Don't shoot dogs.

VMI77 wrote:Yeah, I'm way more afraid of someone unfamiliar with dogs, or irrationally afraid of dogs, shooting one of my dogs, should they escape, than I am about being attacked by a dog. I have dealt with all kinds of stray dogs, including supposedly dangerous breeds, and they're usually more afraid of you than you have any reason to be afraid of them.