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ghostrider wrote:

Although I do wonder why Abbott suddenly got so quiet on this gun show thing, and I'm none too happy about that, either.

been wondering the same thing....

bayouhazard wrote:I can't make it past the irony of a company with anti-gun policies complaining their lease wasn't renewed because the landlord is prejudiced against guns.

Sorry.

Scott Farkus wrote:Due process. Equal protection. Freedom of speech. Take your pick.

OldCannon wrote:I completely disagree with what Travis county has done, considering they are establishing a standard that applies nowhere else in Texas. KEEP THIS IN MIND AS YOU READ MY RANT BELOW.

That being said, I've been to the Saxet gun show several times, and I cannot even begin to convey my quiet rage at "professional" private sellers.

You've probably seen these guys, often sitting at tables with a few scattered variety of firearms from various eras, offering the whole buy/sell/trade gamut. They're clearly not FFLs, but they clearly make the gun show circuits (they don't just do Austin, I've seen them in San Antonio and Temple/Belton too). These are the people that are breaking the law, and these are the people that the Travis County idiots are referring to. You might think, "Well, let the ATF handle this," and you'd be right, except the reality is that the ATF is VERY understaffed with agents (true story) and this is rarely the kind of thing that agents go after unless pressured at the state or federal level. They're far more interested in chasing down the bad guys that are "big movers." (or moving guns into Mexico, but that's being discussed on other threads )

So, once again, the few highly-visible scofflaws are the ones that are creating this issue.

Technically, there is a solution, but it wouldn't satisfy Travis Co, nor, I think, would Saxet agree to it (basically don't allow non-FFLs that rent tables to sell firearms).

ok, I'm done ranting. Flame away if you want to, just remember I in no way support what Travis Co is attempting to do.

Scott Farkus wrote:The 30.06 issue is an issue, but completely separate from this. Please do not conflate the two.

Similarly, taking the position that Saxet can or should move to Williamson county misses the point. This isn't a gun control issue, it's a civil rights issue. The government cannot pick and choose who it allows to use public facilities based on a political disagreement. That is the essence of the first amendment.

Can you imagine the uproar if the Travis County Commissioners refused to allow, for example, a promoter to rent the Expo Center or a county park for a Gay Pride Festival? Or if they told the promoter they would agree to the Festival but only if he would prohibit men from kissing each other on county property? Because THAT'S the essence of what Travis County has done. They imposed a requirement on Saxet that the county by state law has no power to enforce, in order to exclude a politically disfavored group from utilizing a public facility. This is rank discrimination, and it is arguably more dangerous as a threat to civil rights than a threat to gun rights. No local government would ever dare do this to a liberal sacred cow, because the ACLU would have them in court by the end of the day.

I hope someone is preparing that lawsuit on behalf of Saxet, as it appear Abbott has suddenly gone silent on the issue. What a difference an election year makes, huh?

gringo pistolero wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:According to Fox News the Austin American-Statesman has reported that Travis County commissioners have decided not to renew the lease for the Saxet Gun Show

That's great news. It creates an opportunity for a neighboring community to make some money leasing their fairgrounds or community center to a pro-CHL show promoter who doesn't post those ridiculous 30.06 signs.

bbobb wrote: It sounds like a game plane straight out of California.

VoiceofReason wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:Apparently Travis county is trying to force Saxon to require background checks on all private party purchases that occur on the property. It sounds like Saxon won't be coming back.
Travis County is paid $100k per gun show for rental of that facility.

The county is trying to make the gun show owners enforce a law that doesn’t exist. The gun show owners don’t have the authority to do this.This is all smoke and mirrors anyway. The county got what they wanted. No gun show.

It is the same old thing. If you can’t make it illegal, regulate it to death. If you can’t regulate it to death, tax it to death.

cb1000rider wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote: Again I am learning more-that there are already shows, and that they are posted.
I haven't been to one in years though. Too many crowds and too few deals for my personal taste.

Yea, it may be the new norm. CPPD knew that they "shouldn't" arrest for "violations" when I asked. I got the feeling that it was going to depend on the officer though.
I agree with you - I didn't see *any* deals. I had limited scope, but everything I saw there could be bought online for less, including FFL and shipping fees... But that was just based on sticker. Interesting place, gun shows..

cb1000rider wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:Have it in Cedar Park instead. We have something long extinct in Austin - conservatives.

Cedar Park gun shows get posted 30.06, at least recently... I find it highly annoying, especially since the local PD stands at the door to "enforce the rules".

CWOOD wrote:That is the whole point. They are tryig to hold the show liable for the private legal actions of private individuals

CWOOD wrote:DEALERS as always have to do NICS without a CHL.

However, this is targeted at non-FFL citizens selling to another private citizen.