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If you sent your money in on the original e-mail and now they have changed the rules to require the NRA Instructor. If you do not wish to get the NRA Certification should you be eligible for a refund? I don't think I have ever heard of a refund from DPS.

Jerry

He is like me, he had the NRA certification when we first started teaching CHL but lost it when NRA started insisting that you had to teach at least one NRA class a year to keep the certification. Since he has not yet sent in the updated CHL-90 I suppose they don't know he no longer has it. We both were in the second CHL class in Austin in 95.

I have not heard of anyone else getting their certificate either, figured maybe he slipped through the crack.

Jerry

garcia946 wrote: The renewal period for CHL Instructors is not set to begin until six (6) months prior to the certificate expiration. Unfortunately, a renewal notification was mailed too early to those CHL Instructors whose certificate expires on December 31, 2013. We apologize for the miscommunication and want to ensure each of you is provided accurate information regarding the renewal process.

Well, as of tomorrow morning we are in the six month renewal period, still no information from DPS. Do you think the second special session will delay the decisions even though there are not any CHL related issues on the agenda. Has anyone heard anything from the questions submitted to RDS through the original e-mail? I know that many that frequent this board have gotten a head start on what we think will be the new requirements but I have talked to several instructors in my area who tell me they are not doing anything until they get it straight from DPS that what I have been saying is structurally speculation. Also, the guy I teach with sent his instructor renewal in as soon as he got the e-mail and has already received his new instructor certificate. They sent him a request for the new CHL -90, so far he said he is already renewed why should he bother. Anyone heard of a certificate being revoked after it was issued.

Jerry

SB60, Section 18 wrote:
Sec. 18. QUALIFIED HANDGUN INSTRUCTORS. (a) The director may certify as a qualified handgun instructor a person who:
(1) is certified by the Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education or the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies to instruct others in the use of handguns;
(2) regularly instructs others in the use of handguns and has graduated from a handgun instructor school that uses a nationally accepted course designed to train persons as handgun instructors; or
(3) is certified by the National Rifle Association of America as a handgun instructor.

I have had printed copy of SB60 in my briefcase since it was passed and I thought I had read it all, apparently not! Yep it is in there. I guess I missed it also.

Jerry

switch wrote:Tom Givens @ Rangemasters in Memphis offers a 3 day 'instructor course'.

Just because you were trained by Givens (or Suarez), does NOT mean that you have to train all your students to that level. Just have to hold regular training.

Incidentally, I understand that Suarez does NOT teach you to keep you finger outside the trigger guard (along the frame) like most instructors. For that reason, I'd be reluctant to train w/him.

Courses like these is what I was questioning since most I have seen have no expiration on the Instructor certifications. NRA seems to be unique in this part of their program yet 411.190 seems to make this important. Always figured with NRA it was all about money. I do not remember my TCLOSE Firearms Instructor license having a expiration except that you still had to have a law enforcement certification to be current. The "other " category is not clear as to what it is intended as it only requires you to be "graduated" not current. Under that definition even people who had NRA certification and let it expire still "graduated" from the instructor course. I know that there is no way to really figure this out unless we were able to know who wrote this into the law when it went from 4413(29ee) to 411.190 and what they intended or we get an ruling from DPS.

Jerry

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Unfortunately, the CHL course is not "instruct[ing] in the use of handguns" as required by §411.190(a)(2). It's clear that to use the "other" category, you must be regularly teaching people how to shoot handguns and the CHL course doesn't meet that requirement.

I agree with that completely, but that is also why I felt it was strange that pistol instruction is now required to teach CHL. I remember the instructor telling me the CHL Class was not designed to teach people to shoot. I did feel that my teaching a separate "Handgun 101" class as well as doing a IPSC Club new shooter orientation almost every month did qualify as "instructing". I sent the question to DPS so maybe someday I will see what they say. Maybe I am just way off base.

Jerry

Jumping Frog wrote: Perhaps someone certified by one of the well-known national schools like:

Suarez International Staff Instructor
Rob Pincus' I.C.E. Certified Training Instructors

Thanks, but I think both of those would be a little intense for most of my students and me as well since Charles thinks you would have to teach that course to your students. Just looking for something other than NRA since I no longer have my TCLOSE commission.

Jerry

(2) regularly instructs others in the use of handguns and has graduated from a handgun instructor school that uses a nationally accepted course designed to train persons as handgun instructors; or

OK, Thanks, I did not read it that way. "Regularly instructs others in the use of handguns" did not specifically say that it had to be that course to me. It seemed to me that if that were the case then it would be no different than having the NRA Certification and teaching the NRA Course.

Anyone have an example of what would fall under this category?

Jerry

So far no one has addressed this issue that I have seen, especially for those who had the NRA Pistol Certification but let it expire during the time when the NRA required you to teach at least one class a year to keep it. Yea, I am in that situation. When I started teaching CHL I had all of them but DPS did not seem interested in them and NRA kept bugging me to teach their classes so I let it expire in 2006 which is to long for them to reinstate them. They will only do it since 2008, 2008 seems arbutary to me.

"D. Proof of graduation from a handgun instructor school that uses a nationally accepted course designed to train persons as handgun instructors. (Applicants under this section must regularly instruct others in the use of handguns.)"

Would not the now expired certification meet the requirement of "proof of graduation" if you are active in teaching a "handgun 101" class for those that take your CHL classes and don't shoot we'll. Or am I just reading something in to it that is not there?

Jerry