Going to turn the table for a second.
Driver is pulled over for any infraction. Officer comes up and says I'm Officer LEO from Noname Police Department. The reason for the stop is you failed to do whatever. Are there and weapons in the car?
Now, said driver is unaware that you as a passenger has a LTC much less has a gun on your person and answers no. Officer LEO asks driver if he can search the vehicle and he answers sure, I've got nothing to hide. He proceeds to pull everyone out of the vehicle and in doing so, sees your gun which you are lawfully OCing. Now, he did not ask you for ID nor did he ask anyone else if there were weapons in the vehicle. So now, lets for grins say he is a rookie and has you at gun point for having a weapon and not letting you speak because he is trying to get back up there because there is a MWAG.
Do you:
(A) keep trying to tell him you have a LTC
(B) wait until his back up arrives and hope the rookie doesn't get too nervous
(C) Just let it play out until someone finally asks for ID
Or, do you inform the LEO at the time of the initial question that you have a LTC and are lawfully carrying?
I could see this happening and going wrong in so many ways
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Re: Questions About LEO's Asking For ID's When I'm Simply Passenger
Along the same lines, and watching Live PD (one of my favorite shows), I often see they use the excuse I smell weed which gives them probable cause to search a vehicle. I have a couple of issues with this. (1) This means they could use this excuse whether they actually smell it or not (yes judge, the odor was there but we didn't find anything) and (2) back when I was smoking cigarettes, every now and then I would light one that had a strong smell of weed. This in itself would give them probable cause.
Now, as for the house, back when we first bought our home, we were at the house painting and laying floors when a LEO knocked real hard on the door. We answered and he asked if we were (sorry, don't remember the name) and I said no. I could see at least 2 other officers in tactical gear off to the sides of my porch. He asked me if I was sure I wasn't this person several more times then asked for my ID. I told him okay, it was in my wallet in another room but I would get it. He said he would need to come with me to get it and I asked him if he had a warrant. He showed me a paper and said he had an arrest warrant for this person. I said well, I as I told you before, I am not that person and I have agreed to get my ID for you. At that point his Sargent arrived and brought a picture of the guy they were looking for. Looked more like Charles Manson than me
. The sargent asked why I didn't want them in my house and I explained that we had just closed and were painting and remodeling and I didn't want to have to repaint or clean up after they stepped in paint or floor glue and tracked it all over. He asked if I knew this guy as this was his last known address and I said no. During the course of the conversation, I was informed that he was a major drug dealer and they had been looking for him for a while. I explained that when we looked at the house and made an offer on it 6 weeks prior (this was before all of the fast closings and approvals they have now) that the house was empty and no one was living there. He thanked me and pulled his people. Over the course of the next 3 months, there were several times LEO's came to the door looking for this guy but none wanted to come in and search. They all did say that since this was the last known address, until he was caught, it would probably happen again. Come to find out, we bought the house from this guys mother and he had been living there about a year prior to her selling.
On a side note, after the first visit from LEO's we decided to take our remodel farther and remove walls in areas that could have been easy access hiding places and all of the ceiling sheet rock. When we pulled down the ceiling sheet rock, we found about a pound of weed hidden in the attic insulation that we called PD to come and get. This was when we decided to make our master closet a safe room with concrete walls and ceiling.
Now, as for the house, back when we first bought our home, we were at the house painting and laying floors when a LEO knocked real hard on the door. We answered and he asked if we were (sorry, don't remember the name) and I said no. I could see at least 2 other officers in tactical gear off to the sides of my porch. He asked me if I was sure I wasn't this person several more times then asked for my ID. I told him okay, it was in my wallet in another room but I would get it. He said he would need to come with me to get it and I asked him if he had a warrant. He showed me a paper and said he had an arrest warrant for this person. I said well, I as I told you before, I am not that person and I have agreed to get my ID for you. At that point his Sargent arrived and brought a picture of the guy they were looking for. Looked more like Charles Manson than me
. The sargent asked why I didn't want them in my house and I explained that we had just closed and were painting and remodeling and I didn't want to have to repaint or clean up after they stepped in paint or floor glue and tracked it all over. He asked if I knew this guy as this was his last known address and I said no. During the course of the conversation, I was informed that he was a major drug dealer and they had been looking for him for a while. I explained that when we looked at the house and made an offer on it 6 weeks prior (this was before all of the fast closings and approvals they have now) that the house was empty and no one was living there. He thanked me and pulled his people. Over the course of the next 3 months, there were several times LEO's came to the door looking for this guy but none wanted to come in and search. They all did say that since this was the last known address, until he was caught, it would probably happen again. Come to find out, we bought the house from this guys mother and he had been living there about a year prior to her selling.On a side note, after the first visit from LEO's we decided to take our remodel farther and remove walls in areas that could have been easy access hiding places and all of the ceiling sheet rock. When we pulled down the ceiling sheet rock, we found about a pound of weed hidden in the attic insulation that we called PD to come and get. This was when we decided to make our master closet a safe room with concrete walls and ceiling.