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by RPBrown
Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:34 am
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Topic: Police confiscated my weapon
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Re: Police confiscated my weapon

mojo84 wrote:Rpbrown, I caught your dig about stereotyping and people being scared of what they know nothing about.

If me and my buddies were all dressed in saggy pants down around our lower bottom cheeks with our boxers exposed, wearing a wifebeater shirt, sporting gang colored headbands and flashing gang signs at people driving by, what would your assumption be about us? Would you stereotype us? If it were night time and there were 20 or so of us and you were unarmed and we were eyeballing you, would you be concerned or scared?

I think most reasonable people would go on heightened alert even though we are just a bunch of like-minded middle-aged Christian men standing outside visiting and enjoying the nice cool autumn evening.
MOJO, there was no dig intended. All I am saying is people fear the unknown. Given your scenario above, yes, I probably would stereotype you. At the very least I would be on a heightened awareness but again, that is human nature. Is it right? No.
Give you an example of something that happened to me many years ago. I had been going to a church for a couple of years. Always came in a car with my family. Was always made to feel very welcome. One Sunday, I was to meet up with some friends from another church that also ride and we were going to a local prison for a ministry session after church. We almost always ride our bikes to the prisons as it helps break the ice so to speak. So I tell my wife and kids to take the car and I would ride my bike to our church and I would leave from there. I pull up on my bike, take off my helmet and vest (vest had christian patches all over it), put them in the saddle bags and started to go in the church. One of the ushers stopped me and said "we don't want any trouble here so I will have ask you to leave". I was flabbergasted and explained to him I had been coming there for a couple of years.By that time an associate pastor and a couple of other ushers had come up and "invited me to leave before the police were called". I texted my wife and told here what had happened and I left.

Move forward a week and just to prove a point to my wife, we went back to the same church in the car with the family and was met at the door by the same usher who then shook my hand and said welcome. Being the type of personality I am, before I let go of his hand I asked him why he was welcoming me this week and turned me away last week. He looked at me dumbfounded as I explained to him that I was the guy on the motorcycle that he turned away the week before and I also explained to him that he was judging a book by its cover and that was against what the Bible teaches us.

Do I still judge based on appearances? Unfortunately, yes. But I am trying to get better at not doing so. That doesn't mean I will let my awareness become lax, just try not to judge as harshly as I have in the past. Not all is as it seems.
by RPBrown
Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:46 pm
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Topic: Police confiscated my weapon
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Re: Police confiscated my weapon

Bigstew wrote:New user here need some advise,

I along with a few of my motorcycle club brothers have been harassed here lately. I was pulled over by 4 units who claim I didn't use my turn signal. I handed them my license, CHL and told them my weapon is locked in my saddlebag. They immediately began with the full court press of questions about me and my club affiliation and every patch on my vest. I cooperated and remained very polite still not understanding why I got pulled over. They wanted to search my cycle I said "no sir you can't as I did nothing wrong". All my information that they ran came back clean as I have never been arrested in my 42 years and I told them that. They went back and forth on the computer with their seargent who then told them to arrest me for the traffic citation! That gave them cause to mmediately tear into my saddlebags, broke them in the process and found absolutely nothing. I released my bike to my club brother who drove up in his car and I was then hauled off to jail at 10:00 pm where I sat till 6:30 am. After I finally saw the In-house judge she couldn't believe they arrested me on a turn signal ticket and immediately released me ......again I was never ever charged with anything to this day!

Now the detective is refusing to release my weapon stating he now shows me as a known associate to which I am not. I have hired a local Ft,Worth attorney to file the lawsuit and file a formal detailed complaint with internal affairs against all officers involved. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.


Ride free
I just went back and re-read your post and have the following comments
(1) Just because they arrested you still does not give them probable cause for a search without a warrant.
(2) You said you hired a Ft. Worth attorney but did not say if this was Ft. Worth PD or some of the outlying towns
(3) IMHO, the judge should have instructed them to release your weapon
(4) As many LEO's that came, it was either a very slow night or there was a problem somewhere that could have included a biker
(5) You also didn't say what club, or if it was a 3 piece patch. You asked our opinion and these would help in giving one
(6) As I stated before, I am a lifelong biker, long time CHL holder, and ride with 3 different groups including the PGR when i have time so I know a little about stereotyping which there are some on this board that do as well but it is human nature to be scared of something you know nothing about
by RPBrown
Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:35 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Police confiscated my weapon
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Views: 25645

Re: Police confiscated my weapon

The 1% patch comes from the AMA's comment many years ago that only 1% of all motorcycle riders are outlaws. I think this pretty much still holds true today. Even some in outlaw clubs are not bad people but associate with some bad people.
Just because I ride a Harley, wear a vest with patches doesn't make me an outlaw biker (if I were I probably wouldn't have a CHL). In fact, I am about as far from an outlaw as you can get. I do ride with a Christian motorcycle group as well as with a Masonic motorcycle group but by no means are we outlaw nor have I been pulled over by more that 1 LEO at a time. I agree with what others said, there must have been something going on and they were being cautious.
Not much different than being made a bad guy because I carry a gun. Guilty until proven innocent--liberal thinking.

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