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lawrnk wrote:

NcongruNt wrote:

Russell wrote: Also, I don't know if I would have made all of those stunt driver moves you made to attempt to get away, as was mentioned above you could have gotten into an accident that would have made your situation exponentially worse. If he's not ramming you from behind I would have just driven at a normal pace and called the police on my cell phone.

He was verbally threatened with deadly force back at the gas station. If someone threatened me whom I believed had a gun and was chasing me, I'd make it as difficult as possible for him to make good on that threat. As was also mentioned, he had specific training in this kind of driving, so I have no problem with his utilization of those skills in his effort to escape. I also doubt that he was doing so with abandon for the safety of other drivers.

As a CHL, what can you do if your life is threatened verbally?

Same as anyone else. There's no immediate threat, and unless specific physical action is taken by the thug that can be construed as force that may result in serious injury or death, you have no place drawing or making threat of deadly force yourself. In the least, you can notify the police and they can press charges that he made terroristic threats.

In this situation, things became escalated beyond simple verbal threats on the road. As the guy had previously made verbal threats, and is now involved in predatory behavior, there is much more of a basis for the use of deadly force had things come to more serious terms (say nitrogen had a blowout and the thug stopped and approached his vehicle in a menacing manner). I would say drawing on an approaching guy who had just made verbal threats of deadly force, then followed up with predatory aggressive behavior on the road would be considered reasonable use of deadly force by a Grand Jury.

boomerang wrote:

KD5NRH wrote:I'd have been "playing with my phone" (audio/video recording, with actually fairly good quality) after his first bit of mouthing off, and I'd probably have had a slight wardrobe malfunction when he said the above.

I'd call 911 and let them get a recording of his threats.

Maybe in hindsight you would have. Up until that point it seems the guy had simply acted like a jerk. That certainly wouldn't justify a 911 call. Beyond the one threat, I don't see anything to be overly concerned about until the aggressive driving started. It sounded like some idiot spouting off. Yes, certainly something to be alert about, but no immediate threat or overtly suspicious activity to warrant a call to 911, up until the point where the chase was on.

nitrogen wrote:Also apparently, my grooming and dress (Shaved head, and sunglasses, nice shirts and slacks) make me look like "A Mafia Hitman"

I''m not quite sure what to do about that.

People have told me the same thing, but I think it's more of a lower-level street enforcer look in my case. I guess I kinda see it:



I have a large frame and a lot of muscle, as well as large hands (that's a full-sized Hi-Power looking very small in my hands). I have been mistaken for a bouncer on multiple occasions while walking down 6th street on my way to a music venue. I also get greeted with "what's up big man" by total strangers walking by in certain parts of town.

I chose "rarely/never" from the poll. I cannot recall a single incident that someone decided that I would be a good target to rouse a reaction from. I am a relatively quiet individual and don't speak much unless I have a specific reason. I think my demeanor gives the impression that I mean serious business if messed with rather than a trophy to be conquered.

I've met several of you in person, and would be interested to hear what your impressions were when we met.

Russell wrote: Also, I don't know if I would have made all of those stunt driver moves you made to attempt to get away, as was mentioned above you could have gotten into an accident that would have made your situation exponentially worse. If he's not ramming you from behind I would have just driven at a normal pace and called the police on my cell phone.

He was verbally threatened with deadly force back at the gas station. If someone threatened me whom I believed had a gun and was chasing me, I'd make it as difficult as possible for him to make good on that threat. As was also mentioned, he had specific training in this kind of driving, so I have no problem with his utilization of those skills in his effort to escape. I also doubt that he was doing so with abandon for the safety of other drivers.