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Flint

Sounds good--my schedule is wide open anyday except Sundays. PM me with a date and place.

Stay Salty.

Jbirds--thanks for stepping out. For those who are near Lufkin, I would be glad to train with you in any area.

-Steve

Wilco Flint. I guess when you have seen what I have seen in terms of self-defense and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what human beings are capable of doing to each other, you do want to point out deficiencies. I learned in the military and recently in Private Security that new training is written in blood, meaning, you or somebody you know has to become a statistic before additional training is added--that is unacceptable to me, and anybody who has to see "statistics" in order to train differently or accept new changes in training philosopy is already digging their grave. Pardon my bluntness, I have buried some good friends because of complacency, I do not want that to be anybody in present company.

I am sure with your martial arts background, you have some training in Combatives--another passion of mine.(Besides Gun Retention--ha ha..I wonder if it will cause as big a stir as this one did!) I had an article published in September 2007 of Combat Handguns in the Letters section you should read. I will pput it in a seperate post for all to read.

Thanks

Flintknapper

Let me be clear. I want advanced training (including retention training) to be available in a progressive plan, after a CHL has been issued. I am not trying to make it harder for people to get a CHL--I am advocating the need for folks to get better training because they need it on so many levels. So many get complacent after the CHL is obtained, they lull themselves into a state that is not reality. Trust me on this--training is a lifestyle, not something you do once a month or once every four years! I apologize for not making myself clear--I am 100% behind right to carry, but being in a proffession that does not forgive error, I am always challenging myself and others.

Stay Safe.

Seamus

I in no way am trying to give ammo to the anti-RKBA, my point however, and I am sure any cops in here will back me up--if you carry a gun, you need to know how to handle an attempted gun grab--it is part of being armed. Concealed or not. Granted--I do carry a gun for a living, but I am also a CHL holder, and I drill on a very simple counter to a gun grab I am sure the LEO in this forum are familiar with: The Pin & Spin. If you are intersted Seamus, I would be glad to show or describe this counter to you--it is simple and effective.

Stay Safe.

I meant to respond to Seamus's comment "The false ideal that a criminal will take your gun and use it on you".

Seamus, you cannot be serious. Criminals practice these gun grabbing skills everyday in prision. If you do not think someone can take your gun away from you and use it on you you are dead wrong. People seem to think that because they carry concealed, I do not have to worry about that, you are missing the whole point if you think that way. My whole point in talking about advanced training was the attitude presented here--it could never happen to me. WRONG.

Lets get real here fellas. I have seen men in the top shape of their lives get bushwacked and have their weapons taken from them and used on them, and these are pros.

Retention needs to be trained on once our CHL is attained, no question. It is not a false ideal it is the real world.

Stay Salty.

It looks like the good folks in this forum took me wrong--I am in no way wanting to make it harder for folks to get their CHL, me of all people is one the biggest advocate of 2nd ammendment rights. I applaud the boards quick response to my suggestion, however, I am on your side and I feel you misunderstood me. In my previous post, I stated I would like to see a curriculum laid out for the CHL holder to follow AT THEIR OWN PACE to improve their skills. Believe me, if it were up to me, I would want all people over the age of 21 to be armed, including college students to carry on State University grounds. Simply put, the need for advanced training needs to be pushed because I have seen personally people who think just because they carry a firearm, they have nothing else to worry about--NOT TRUE. That is all I was saying.

You also must understand in my line of work, training is a way of life--I see so many armed citizens and friends of mine who really have no clue other than punching hole in paper on the weekends-- and that is what concerns me. II hope you guys udnerstand where I am coming from.

Stay Safe.

For a long time now, I have been a proponent of a better training curriculum in order to get your CHL. I know a person could take this point to far, but I think a progressive training program needs to be set up so a man or woman could easily progress. The subject of weapons retention is a great example--it drives the point home there is always one loaded gun at a confrontation-YOURS! This is indeed a real world threat, and one I have seen end badly for some. Like I tell so many of people I know wanting to get their CHL, I tell them to not only budget for a decent gun and holster rig, but also for some good training!

Any good self-defense program needs to focus on Combatives--in my line of work, I have seen close-quarters fiasco's, and they are not pretty. Often time, in order for a man to have time to draw his gun, an empty hand strike would need to be thrown. This falls right into line of retention techniques and how to counter most any move someone would make for your weapon.

Stay Salty--Good to be Back Home.

Watching the news last night, I saw a story on a local constable who while eating supper at a local restaurant, a man tried to grab his sidearm. A tussle ensued, with the constable finally restraining the man with no injuries. This made me think: for those of us who carry a gun for a living, this is a everyday real threat. We try to counter this by using retention holsters. But, for those of us who carry concealed, should this be something we prepare for in our drills? I say yes. There are some who say, that even those who carry concealed should carry in a IWB or OWB Level III retention holster of some type--I do not agree on this, for the reason of accesibility and speed. I would argue that a civilian could learn to be as fast with a retention holster as his normal holster (say a yaqui slide like mine), but with quite a bit of training. But the real point here is staying concealed at all times--and that is a matter of an overhaul in not only your wardrobe, but your lifestyle--it is indeed a way of life.

Stay Salty out there.