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Scott Farkus wrote: Again I ask, do you support the parking lot bill? Because that's clearly an infringement on private property rights, the only time "our side" has done so as far as I know.

Glockster wrote:

twomillenium wrote:Seems as if some folks wish to force other people to allow them to do what they want, even if it is on the other persons property. They seem to claim their rights supersedes the rights of other people's property ownership. Some even claim it is a right protected by the Constitution, without realizing the Constitution is telling the GOVERNMENT what the rights of the people are.
In this case, the rights to bear arms is protected by the Constitution but this is in regard to how the Government can treat the citizenry.

Property owners are not forcing folks to behave or think or say things a certain way, they are giving them a choice of whether to come on their property or not. If they choose to come on that property they must conduct themselves in accordance to the rules of that property. If they choose not to be on that property, then the rules of THAT property will NEVER apply to them.

I, myself, am pro CC and OC. I do understand the angst that some have about OC in their businesses. In most cases, I believe their worries to be unwarranted but they would rather err on the side of caution. If they are just anti-gun, then that is also their right. (IMHO they are anti-gun because they are low IQ or uninformed of actual facts) I will do business with those who are like minded whenever possible - even if the cost is more.

We should be able to CC and OC on public property because we are owners of public property, but so are other people and some would have us thrown in jail for just thinking about a firearm. (their right to think that way) So, the State issues a LTC which is suppose to prove a certain level of competence to CC or OC on public property. The State can control who qualifies for this right and for those who qualify it is a "shall issue" not "might issue" and the anti-gun folks can go pound sand. In no way should this LTC supersede the property owners rights to decide how they will conduct business whether it is private or public.

Just sayin.

Yes, however - when the government passes any laws which then restrict a right guaranteed by the Constitution, how then is that NOT the Government causing my rights to be restricted? Where in the Constitution does it say that there are any property rights other than protection from the government seizing property?

I agree with you about private property, but cannot agree with you regarding property that has been opened to the public, the public invited in, to conduct business. Perhaps what we need are laws to delineate that when you open your doors to the public, you are voluntarily agreeing to forego some of your property rights. If a business doesn't like that, then perhaps it is time to get out of business or form a private club.