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Jaguar wrote:Here is a story of a man arrested and held by the border patrol because he exercised his constitutional rights. He was released after 19 days and the charges were dropped.

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I guess the question is, as Abraham asked earlier, how much are you willing to suffer for your rights?

Abraham wrote:Why are they (BP) bothering us about U.S. citizenship inland, if they sincerely believe we're not citizens?

Because that's a bogus excuse for police state tactics.

This baloney isn't right.

I'm now in the league of those who refuse to answer such ludicrous questions.

(because I was too chicken before...)

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Dadtodabone wrote:Such was my experience.
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68698

Just read your post.....entertainingly written, by the way. One of your respondents described your wife's character in response to that situation as "spirited". I agree. And please understand I am not dumping on her because she indeed sounds "fetching", as you described her.........BUT......."spirited" is not always "wise". Whenever I am personally tempted to get loud and proud in the face of authority, I remind myself of that Biblical injunction to be "quiet as doves, and wise as serpents"

texanjoker wrote: I can say from working with them they get treated like garbage non stop and the ones working the borders have a tough job as nobody likes them, they often get shot at, yet they are our only line of defense against all that crosses the border. Maybe it's just me but I cut them some slack.

Dadtodabone wrote:If my wife stating in a calm, level voice that the CBP agent had no business inquiring into our activities, is in someway poor treatment of the agent, I beg to differ. Or did my reference to her being possessed influence your view of her statement. That she replied in the negative to an authority figure of any stripe, not once but twice, was the cause for surprise. She wasn't shouting or combative, didn't needlessly repeat her statements ad nauseum, she simply refused to provide information. Perhaps she should just have invoked her 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, I fail to see how that would have improved the situation though.
When is it okay to refuse to be coerced by anyone acting under color of law? Does a tough job, being shot at or being disliked allow them the usurpation of the rights granted to us by God and protected within our Constitution?

cb1000rider wrote:

couzin wrote:Having worked on a border project, I got to know a bunch of officers in TX, NM, AZ, and CA. They are not evil and they are not trying to trample your rights. It is ridiculous when jerks show their behind with these provocation videos. For crying out loud just say you are a citizen and get on down the road. It ain't that hard. BTW - yes they are Federal law enforcement and as such they can search, arrest, and pursue. And - they also can apprehend someone breaking State laws (they just turn em over to local law enforcement for charge/prosecution). If stopped by any Federal Law enforcement it might be a good idea to simply tell them you are armed and have a concealed carry license. Again - it ain't that hard.

I'm with you.. it's real easy not to cause trouble. But the reality is that they're not "allowed" to do anything about someone who remains silent, but they often do...
And what's the point? Is saying "yes" to that question really enough to establish citizenship? I think not... It's not a stop about residency, it's a stop about eyeballing your vehicle and maybe slowing you down enough for a quick sniff from the drug dog - and having that happen on THIS side of the border isn't legal. America doesn't start 100 miles from the border. Sure, it catches some bad guys... And sure, it's a minor inconvenience, but we could catch a lot more bad guys if we were to trample a few more rights.

The world isn't perfect...