Search found 4 matches

by Dadtodabone
Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:48 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 18338

Re: Syria - hype or war?

The Annoyed Man wrote:but only a fool would discount 100% of what he says, just because we don't like him.
and he who would allow the accrual of any positive perception of Mr. Putin in western society due to a regurgitation of views, that emanate from said society, to its detriment?
I don't think Putin is some kind of elder statesman, but neither does someone get to his office without being very intelligent.
No, Mr. Putin is cunning, devious and brutal. That's how he attained his "office". Had he exhibited true intelligence under the Soviet regime, he would have entered a scientific studies track. That he didn't and instead was trained as a KGB officer, where said cunning and brutality are an asset, demonstrates that to me and anyone who has studied the Soviet era in Russia.
But there is one thing that I will give Putin, he absolutely advances Russia's interests at all times.....unlike Obama and the U.S.'s interests.
No, Mr. Putin advances his own interests, to the detriment of the Russian people, Exactly like Mr. Obama. That inexperienced Western observers conflate Mr. Putin’s interests with those of Russia provides him with the cover he needs to exploit public opinion in the West via his PR firm Ketchum*.
Mr. Putin’s prestige is at an all time low with the Russian people and his cronies. He is no longer able to dispense largess from Gazprom(estimated market value declined from .5 Trillion USD to 79 Billion USD since 2007)or other Russian energy resources.
As the U.S. continues to move electrical generation into natural gas fired plants, American coal has found its way to Europe. These U.S. coal exports have undermined 30% of Russia’s export coal market. Remember Mr. Putin turning off the natural gas to Ukraine, during the winter a few years past, in order to extort increased revenue? How do you think the development of shale gas resources in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus(due to this type of economic terrorism)in partnership with U.S. companies using the same tech that has caused the marked reduction of market oil prices is viewed in Russia? Hydrocarbons are near 50% of Russian gdp. Gazprom alone was 14%.
The loss of the final Soviet era Middle Eastern client state, Syria, and with it, the only extra-territorial Russian naval base, would be a tremendous blow to his prestige and could be devastating to his ability to maintain his power.
And sometimes, Russia's interests ought to be our own.
Here we can agree, as long as it’s understood that Mr. Putin’s interests are not the same as Russia’s.
I can think of other examples where their interests and ours cross, if you'd like, but I think I've made my point.
No , you made the point that Russia and the U.S. have mutual interests, with that I agree. Mr. Putin does not equate Russia.
There isn't a single thing that Putin wrote in those two paragraphs that isn't absolutely true.
If we’re speaking truth better to shade your statement thus “There isn’t a single thing that is attributed to Putin in those two paragraphs that isn’t absolutely true.” Do a little research on Ketchum.
I’ll grant that the every snarky jab at the US, references to the UN and the sovereignty of nations, probably came from Mr. Putin’s pen. Ironic to see the same man use arguments that had absolutely no impact during his excursion into Georgia and the subsequent military annexation of Ossetia, isn’t it?

Finally, I’ll also state that I am an un-repentant cold warrior. I spent a portion of my young adulthood observing Sov Bloc tank armies. My, and my fellows, task was to contain said tank armies, should they attack, long enough that Stateside manpower could mate with pre-positioned equipment sets in Europe. The study of everything Soviet, culture, command doctrine, logistic capabilities, morale, armaments, training and education was not just part of the job. It was, hopefully, the edge that would allow some of us to survive. I can assure you that most of us studied diligently.
I see nothing in Mr. Putin of the "Sovki", he’s just another in a long line of tyrants and should be opposed at every turn.


*Ketchum, the PR firm Putin used to place his op-ed in the NYT, was the same company that the Bush administration used to produce what the GAO later called illegal covert propaganda.
Under contract from the Department of Education, Ketchum paid conservative pundit Armstrong Williams $241,000 in taxpayer money to tout No Child Left Behind in appearances on CNN and CNBC, and to interview Education Secretary Rod Paige for TV and radio ads. Falsified news stories, payoffs to writers and bloggers, the list goes on and on.
But Mr. Bush and Mr. Putin are not alone. In 2010, Mr. Obama's Department of Health and Human Services used stimulus funds to hire Ketchum to promote the department's policy on electronic medical records. Obama is also the single largest recipient of donations from Ketchum employees.
by Dadtodabone
Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:48 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 18338

Re: Syria - hype or war?

The Annoyed Man wrote:Putin's direct response: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opini ... syria.html.

It's self-serving, but it makes some sense too. Never thought I'd say that.
Under the KGB thug exterior, beats the heart of a Statesman? Nah.
by Dadtodabone
Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:46 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 18338

Re: Syria - hype or war?

AndyC wrote:
ghostrider wrote:The largest foreign supplier of oil to America is Canada
No war for oil! No war for oil! No w.... .......wait... Canada?? :shock: :lol:
Heck we should just take their oil, "Canada's not even a real country anyway!"
by Dadtodabone
Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:11 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 18338

Re: Syria - hype or war?

Beiruty wrote:
philip964 wrote:Wow I'm at James Coney Island they have CCN on.

Barbara Boxer as a hawk. John Kerry as a hawk.

It's kind of some alternate universe.

What is also interesting most of the anti war anti Bush Facebook friends are staying anti war.

They are not following Obama down this road. Most say things like don't bomb Syria bomb Monsanto.

We just need to get Hilliary to commit to this war like she did with Iraq.

Some thoughts:

Sunni - conservative Muslims. Think Osama.

Shia - much more secular, moderate.

Somehow I think because of Iran - Shia and Saudi Arabia - Sunni we have gotten on the wrong side.

Assad is Shia, the rebels are Sunni like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

There is an outfit called Wahabi, they are the most intolerant, they are Sunni.

I would hate to see our guys dieing for our future killers.

My two cents. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
You are wrong about Shia and Sunnis and who is moderate and who is not.

Have you all forget the Beirut Bombing of the US Marines barracks in 1982 that left 250+ US soldier dead? Who was the responsible?
Have you all forget the Beirut Bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut? Who was the responsible?
How about the US citizens that were taken hostages in Beirut? Who did that?

When talking about who is moderate in Sunnis and who is not? The extremists are sliver small portions of the nation. In Shia, the militancy is embedded in the culture, the culture of a minority that wants to rule the Majority (sunnis) at any cost.
To illustrate Beiruty's statement;
Iran, majority Shia
Iraq, majority Shia
And stating that Assad is Shia is disingenuous at best. Assad is a Alawite Ba'athist piece of garbage. He, as did his father before him and fellow Ba'athist piece of garbage Saddam Hussein, uses terror and oppression to rule. Alawis are Shia, as snake handling, old line, regular Baptists and Catholics are both Christian.
Militancy is the breath of life to Alawite Shias, they've been a minority sect since the 8th century and often suffered cruelly under various caliphates as well as the Ottomans. That they have risen to power through the Assad's usurpation of the Syrian state and the socialist, nationalist Ba'ath rhetoric is seen by them as their "turn at bat".
Yes, the majority of Sunni's are moderate in their beliefs and generally all around nice people. The problem of Sunni identity is one of numbers. I've read articles claim that "Only 10% of Sunnis are radicalized", that's 10% of 1.5 BILLION people. 150,000,000 radicalized folks that out number the combine militaries of the entire world. And Sunni radicalism can be particularly virulent. Exhibit; the Saudi exportation of Wahhabism.
Wahhabis, and their lesser known fellows, Salafis and all who follow "ahl al-hadith" are fundamentalists with a capital F. They are considered ultra-conservative and reject traditional Islamic legal scholarship and any moderating philosophy as unnecessary innovation, and will kill you if you disagree.
Wahhabism and the ibn Saud have been partners since the 18th century and Wahhabism dominates the Arabian Peninsula. The Saudi royals have financed the growth of Wahhabism to the tune of $90 billion dollars in the last 50 years. There are Wahhabi madrassas everywhere,
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... assas.html
Don't forget that Arab religious students are called Talib, which morphed in to Taliban in Pashto and Urdu.

Return to “Syria - hype or war?”