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rtschl wrote:Wow. Just Wow. Frustrating when those on "our side" want businesses to post a compliant sign to satisfy their personal agenda. Eerily similar to OCT tactics. "It's my way or the highway and forget the rest of the CHL/2A community."

See thats funny because I was thinking almost the same thing. That people here are stating for everyone the only possible correct way to conduct themselves and getting real upset when others have different viewpoints. And until just now no one said anything about wanting a business to post anything. The conversation was about talking to a business to see what their intent was when a sign was less than clear.

jmra wrote:

EEllis wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I'm speechless.

You didn't see that coming? You didn't think telling grow people that they HAD to do something might cause some to just because of it? You did't think people declare that all gun owners had a duty to do what they decided was correct might cause some to have issues?

Then there are all the people who fall between the two beliefs who just are not going to get into it because they just want to avoid the grief. Really man the who absolutist thing is never an effective tool to moving anyone any direction but away.

I guess I expect grown people to make educated decisions instead of doing the opposite of what they perceive they are being told to do simply because they don't like being told what to do. Maybe I expect too much. Of course I haven't seen anyone telling anyone else what to do. What I have seen is people expressing an opinion about how best to preserve our ability to continue to carry legally in as many places as possible.

The title of the thread isn't "Please think before you mention an non-compliant sign". It says "Do Dot!" so if you haven't seen it it may be that you haven't looked. That you generally agree probably affects how the comments are viewed by yourself. To me they were at the least a bit much and more than a bit overbearing. I also don't think anyone is doing anything just because of this thread and I don't think the manner and tone was at all helpful. I also don't think there is anything wrong with having values that weight other things than just the ability to carry as many places as possible minimizing private property concerns.

mojo84 wrote:I'm speechless.

You didn't see that coming? You didn't think telling grow people that they HAD to to something might cause some to do it just because of it? You did't think people declare that all gun owners had a duty to do what they decided was correct might cause some to have issues?

Then there are all the people who fall between the two beliefs who just are not going to get into it because they just want to avoid the grief. Really man the who absolutist thing is never an effective tool to moving anyone any direction but away.

mojo84 wrote:Who said anything about exploiting anyone or playing lawyer? If someone puts a sign up that says no guns and you don't want to go against their wishes or exploit them, turn around and leave. What good does it do to bring it to their attention they have a non-compliant sign?

Don't push them and educate them a la OCT.

By the way, the one that may feel bullied is the clerk or business owner that is being confronted by someone that may or may not have a gun on them asking them why they have a no gun sign up.

Among other things because depending on the sign I don't know what their wishes are. If they have a old 30.05 sign is it there because they don't know any better or because they no longer are even worried and just never bother to update it. I can't ask why it's there if I refuse to ask. I said playing lawer. That is what I believe many people try to do by trying to get ultra exact to justify not complying.

Now I'm not saying I go around correcting anti gun signs, but I decide for myself and this public shaming thing that I perceive here is not cutting it for me. (No I don't think everyone on here is trying to do that but certainly some are.)

mojo84 wrote:Some are willing to cut off their need to spite their face. Sad how telling someone off is more important than doing the right thing. If you don't want to shop somewhere, don't. Why take a chance on screwing it up for others?

By the way, it doesn't do anyone or our cause any good to be saying everyone with a no gun sign up is an anti-gun nut.

First that isn't what anyone said. Second obviously there are people here who disagree with that being the "Right" thing. I think that it's the right thing to honor a business owners expressly displayed wishes rather than play lawyer about how it's not legally actionable. If I'm unsure I feel that it is more morally correct to find out what is intended rather than just be happy I'm getting away with exploiting someone's possible ignorance. I also thing I'm going to decide for myself rather than be bullied, however politely, by people on the internet.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

EEllis wrote:While I wouldn't bring a non compliant sign to the attention of a business to scoff about how they got it wrong or to correct them I disagree that there is something wrong with bringing a non compliant sign up with a business.
if someone is truly anti then I want to know to be able to decide how I spend my money. I can't do that if I don't know if posting an unenforceable sign is intentional or not. That is just one reason I could see possibly approaching a business. There are others. We each make our own choices you will not make mine for me. And no one else should feel pressured by people on here about their choice either.

How about this angle then....... if you see a non-compliant sign, go ahead and approach the manager and tell him you are leaving and won't be shopping there because of the anti-2nd Amendment attitude displayed in his sign...... but DON'T educate him about the sign's non-compliance! That way, you get to express your displeasure, and you don't ruin it for other CHLs who might want to still shop there. Go ahead and make that decision for yourself, but don't force your decision on others by educating the owner/manager about the sign.

Umm, no.

good for you

While I wouldn't bring a non compliant sign to the attention of a business to scoff about how they got it wrong or to correct them I disagree that there is something wrong with bringing a non compliant sign up with a business.
if someone is truly anti then I want to know to be able to decide how I spend my money. I can't do that if I don't know if posting an unenforceable sign is intentional or not. That is just one reason I could see possibly approaching a business. There are others. We each make our own choices you will not make mine for me. And no one else should feel pressured by people on here about their choice either.