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by EEllis
Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OCTC President and Wife Arrested
Replies: 36
Views: 6036

Re: OCTC President and Wife Arrested

ShootDontTalk wrote:I agree about the bad tactics. No question. My comment is that the assumption here is that they did something that deserved arrest. Would it be logical then to assume that no PD has ever made a bad arrest? Ever? That conclusion could be disproven if more video of the incident is released. Or is that simply not possible?

Remember the fellow in the wheelchair who was declared worthy of being shot to death for charging a DPD officer? Seems a lot of people ended up with egg on their faces and one or two ended up in prison when all the facts (and video) came out. Not suggesting that happened here, but then I haven't seen all of the video yet. So I will wait to assume that what they did caused the arrest.
Look it isn't so much about if they deserved arrest but that it isn't unreasonable for the officers to feel that the behavior crossed the line and warranted arrest. This certainly doesn't look like some vendetta or something by the cops, tho I really doubt they are giving much leeway to the OCTC Pres and crew, but just different ideas on what they believe the law means. If the DA feels the charges are appropriate then the case will go forward and a jury will decide. Maybe they will decide that the Watkins are not guilty but that wouldn't make this a bad arrest.

In addition to their guilt, regardless of how their court case falls out, certain behavior can be held wrong regardless of the legality of the actions. If it was just posted that there was an incident without arrest you would find much the same comments regardless of any legal action.

And I think at best you had people say wait and see on the wheelchair guy not that he deserved to be shot so you are way off on the comparison not to mention it seems distasteful to somehow equate Cory Watkins and his situation to an event where someone was killed. Talk about bad tactics
by EEllis
Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OCTC President and Wife Arrested
Replies: 36
Views: 6036

Re: OCTC President and Wife Arrested

ShootDontTalk wrote:Then perhaps you won't mind my adjusting the headline:

OCTC President and Wife....Are Terminally Stupid for Bad Political Tactics

I don't doubt the sincerity of your claims, but seriously, read through this thread and see what it sounds like. Nothing personal intended here. Is the subject here their tactics, or their arrest?

Well in this case their tactics led to their arrest. They don't observe they take part in police stops. They yell, distract, insult the police, give horrible advice to people being stopped without knowing what's going on, and they believe that because they have a camera, or phone, in their hands that they no longer have to obey lawful orders from police. If you constantly push the limits, and I'm sure even they will agree that is what they are trying to do, then of course they will end up helping to define the limits in court. The law isn't some obvious black line that everyone can agree on. When you get right on the border it's a gray fuzzy area that means different things to different people. It's an average of what a number of jurors believe, so to speak. They seem to only consider their own opinions and ignore anything that contradicts their personal viewpoint and personally look so amateurish and ignorant that it should embarrass all pro gun people.

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