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puma guy wrote: I'm not upset about anything.

Bang4Buck wrote:Can't we all just get along? Sing song and hold hands by the campfire?

I think we all agree what happened sucked. How it was portrayed to us may vary, but no one here is happy that law abiding people had their guns taken.

I can agree with that 100%

puma guy wrote:

EEllis wrote:

puma guy wrote: It seems to me after reading some of your comments in other posts you make statements for the sake of argument, but that's just me.

I guess that's one way of putting it but I tend to think of it as refusing to be bullied. That is what I think happens to people who take unpopular stances on certain subjects. I believe people have almost stopped posting on certain threads because they know what kind of response they will get and refuse to bang their head on the brick wall. I guess I'm just not that bright. I've been arguing for three pages because I felt a NRA piece deemed to be less than 100% accurate in their portrayal of events. Funny enough while I was there no one person who is so upset with me was there. I have to continually restate my position again and again because people repeatedly twist and misstate my beliefs. Because I guess they know better than I what I meant, I mean they inferred it and everything.

I don't think having your comments challenged is bullying, but if you feel some members are doing that you should complain to the moderators. BTW There was no reason to mockingly use the word inferrence in you last sentence, but that does seem to fit your style.

We have one member who gets all kinds of grief when ever he posts anything even slightly pro police. It's rather funny because his usual comment is more along the lines of "there isn't enough info yet, I'm reserving judgment" than any blanket approval for actions. That has gotten him pointed remarks from moderators themselves who disagree with him. Who should I report them to? As for being upset about my "mocking" use of the word inference, I got to say your use bugged me pretty badly also. I didn't state what you claim but you "inferred" it so as far as you are concerned I did indeed say it. That says more about you and your feelings than anything about what I meant but you go ahead and be offended because I repeated your comment.

puma guy wrote: It seems to me after reading some of your comments in other posts you make statements for the sake of argument, but that's just me.

I guess that's one way of putting it but I tend to think of it as refusing to be bullied. That is what I think happens to people who take unpopular stances on certain subjects. I believe people have almost stopped posting on certain threads because they know what kind of response they will get and refuse to bang their head on the brick wall. I guess I'm just not that bright. I've been arguing for three pages because I felt a NRA piece deemed to be less than 100% accurate in their portrayal of events. Funny enough while I was there no one person who is so upset with me was there. I have to continually restate my position again and again because people repeatedly twist and misstate my beliefs. Because I guess they know better than I what I meant, I mean they inferred it and everything.

alvins wrote:so if the police or army or whatever is trying to take your weapons without cause does that give you the right to shoot them?

Well they have a heck of a time convicting the survivors but there aren't too many of those so ...

puma guy wrote:

EEllis wrote:
Show me where I claimed that no guns were taken and no one was pulled out of a house! You are, seemingly deliberately, misrepresenting what I have stated. I don't know if it is because when you read them you allowed what you thought I was trying to say affect how you read what I wrote but regardless I have stated often enough that I know gun confiscations took place just that I did't agree with the feel, and I know that's vague, of the NRA piece. Funny enough you don't really contradict anything I state just seemingly are upset and outraged that I seem to feel slightly different than you believe I should. Come on now.

EEllis wrote:

Bang4Buck wrote:Wow. Never even knew this happened. Obviously mainstream media didn't cover this. I'm sure someone else posted on this. I'm just floored and felt a need to share:

http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/new- ... st-katrina" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hate to say it but I was there and this isn't an accurate portrayal in my experience.

You do so by inference. I interpret it that you refute something that happened on the video is an accurate portrayal - you mean something didn't happen or something else did happen. No you didn't directly state this or that didn't happen, you just cast a complete blanket of doubt including casting doubt on the truthfulness of the people interviewed. Personally when I see a woman tackled and removed on video I believe my eyes. I also don't think the people are lying about what happened to them. If I was one of the people who went through this and saw your comments how else should I interpret your comments. (That's rhetorical BTW) It seems to me after reading some of your comments in other posts you make statements for the sake of argument, but that's just me. No I am not going to offer up examples, it's JMHO.

Not my intention and certainly not held up by my repeated statements that there were gun confiscations. You, and obviously others, just plain read more than was stated or intended. I don't think the piece was accurate it was an advocacy piece more concerned with message that accuracy. I wasn't trying to cast doubt on anyone but the editors and producers of the piece.

jmra wrote:
First of all the video YOU posted showed people that had been pulled from homes and handcuffed until their guns had been confiscated.

Yes I know, it also showed well off people from big mansions having their guns taken which you said didn't happen. I never claimed there was no gun confiscation.

How do I know this happened the way I say it happened? Because I know people who lived it and experienced it. I left NOLA 3 months before Katrina and had lived there most of my life. We housed 20 people who fled but many of their relatives stayed and experienced these same violations of rights.
You are the one who claimed that people were not pulled out of their homes and that the authorities were not confiscating guns because they had better things to do, but yet your own posts betray you.

You have just been shown that at least one of your statements was incorrect. That "The upper class didn't have anything to worry about." and your response is "but that only happened because of bad press" But the truth is you don't know were not in a position to know, and have no evidence to show that's true and even so it would still make you incorrect on your statement that "The upper class didn't have anything to worry about."

Show me where I claimed that no guns were taken and no one was pulled out of a house! You are, seemingly deliberately, misrepresenting what I have stated. I don't know if it is because when you read them you allowed what you thought I was trying to say affect how you read what I wrote but regardless I have stated often enough that I know gun confiscations took place just that I did't agree with the feel, and I know that's vague, of the NRA piece. Funny enough you don't really contradict anything I state just seemingly are upset and outraged that I seem to feel slightly different than you believe I should. Come on now.

jmra wrote:

EEllis wrote:

jmra wrote:

tommyg wrote:From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

This aired after they took a lot of heat for treating the wealthy differently. But what this video does do is contridict your earlier statements that guns were not confiscated. Ironic isn't it?

Where was that statement of mine? No luck? Maybe because that isn't what I said? I know they took guns but I said the portrayal of what happened was different from what I remembered. Part of that was the the cops using force to remove residents not just about gun seizures. I didn't see cops, and I didn't hear of cops, searching occupied houses. I know that if when searching unoccupied houses they took any gun the found, I know they took any and all weaponry they found on anyone that was provided aid, I know that at the very least if they saw a gun they would take it even if you were in you own yard. I also know that every bar, and they were the first businesses open and fed many people thro the aftermath, had at least one gun onsite and never heard of a single one that got taken. If you are saying that some groups of cops, since there were LEO's from everywhere, were more concerned with firearms than others, well that's human nature, so? What that film showed is directly contradicting your statements not mine. Even if you think they just did that to show they were equal opportunity it still makes you wrong in your statement. And your accusation that they just did it after complaints is meaningless unless you can somehow show that they only did go bother the "rich folk" because of negative press because when something aired has nothing to do with when it was filmed and is poor evidence of why someone is doing something. Mind you I'm not even going to declare you wrong! I'm just saying so far it's hot air that you have at least been at least partially contradicted on.

Bang4Buck wrote: I love it in the video when he says they were there to "persuade" people to leave "without using force"....while they bust in to a home with an AR and confiscate guns.

NOPD saying they will take all weapons and no one will be able to be armed. They got sued and lost for a reason, as best I can tell. I've never been a solider, but I would have a hard time following some of the orders those guys were given. That was ABC, not NRA video.

I'd be interested in knowing why they lost a lawsuit if they didn't illegally confiscate weapons. It has happened before. Remember this guy:

You either are not understanding or you're twisting what you read view to suit your bias. We all do this to some extent but the "bust in to confiscate gun" comment is at the least misleading. Someone entered every abandoned house in NO. Could be cops, fire dept, NG, etc. they then painted the building with markers indicating it had been searched and the result. And honestly what I saw wasn't the full on tac squad entry that was on the tv spot, I think they were playing it up a bit for the camera., I have no doubt that if they saw guns they took them. I wouldn't argue that it was wrong but when you distort facts, use bad logic and twisted fact to try and prove points, who does that help? The lawsuit they "lost", if it was the NRA lawsuit, was about what to do with the guns they did get during the emergency and it was a settlement so it's not some big acknowledgment of anything. That some guy got arrested open carrying a AR-15 in Texas doesn't prove a point about what happened in Katrina. Lets try and be better than gun grabbers not see who can twist facts the best.

jmra wrote:

tommyg wrote:From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

SewTexas wrote:

RPBrown wrote:I remember the media covering this rather extensivly at the time. They showed police and NG carrying out confiscated weapons, legal or not. They were doing it.

they showed it, EEllis you were in an area that was going to behave and honestly if y'al would have done it there the PR that would have come from it would have be bad enough to reach pretty great heights, no one cared about the regular peons having their rights revoked.

Well yes it was a "white" area of town and I have no doubt that made some difference. The people you would run into would be different tho it was not the rich connected people that stayed as far as I saw. Much much more hippy in flavor. And I wasn't there in any law enforcement capacity.

jmra wrote: I lived in NOLA for 30 years. I have heard many recount these stories. Perhaps you would be willing to share exactly what "area" you worked.

Garden district. As you must know there were many people who didn't leave. They didn't get dragged off. There was a curfew and you had to be careful but they stayed the whole time. The biggest concern I remember was that if they left they couldn't get back in not that the cops would make them leave. Did it happen? I'm sure it did I just don't remember it being a major concern. Food and water were issues and people would line up at the dome for MRE's and the NG would sometimes take MRE's with them to pass out when they were on patrol, but everyone seemed busy enough without dragging people out of town. Again I'm sure it had to of happened somewhere I just don't remember it as an issue at the time.

Bang4Buck wrote:

EEllis wrote:

Bang4Buck wrote:Wow. Never even knew this happened. Obviously mainstream media didn't cover this. I'm sure someone else posted on this. I'm just floored and felt a need to share:

http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/new- ... st-katrina" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hate to say it but I was there and this isn't an accurate portrayal in my experience.

How was this inaccurate? I seriously don't know. Seems like they got sued and lost for a reason.

I'm not out top trash anybody but this is a "fake" news type of thing. Look at the film of the old lady being tackled. They show before they show during but they left out the little bit where they start the arrest, like maybe she got a little careless waving the gun around? Not that it excuses the illegal orders that I do believe they gave but it is about being dramatic and telling their story not being accurate IMHO. The cops and NG and heck the aspca were going door to door and kicking in every building where they didn't get an answer, but they were not dragging people out for the most part. With enough different groups and agencies I'm sure someone did wrong in just about every way you can think of but people who were out of the water were not being dragged out. Maybe it was a racial profiling thing or just the area I worked but everyone had better things to worry about then the few residents who might have guns.

Bang4Buck wrote:Wow. Never even knew this happened. Obviously mainstream media didn't cover this. I'm sure someone else posted on this. I'm just floored and felt a need to share:

http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/new- ... st-katrina" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hate to say it but I was there and this isn't an accurate portrayal in my experience.