They can ask for anything they want. Since I always carry then I would always give my Chl if in any kind of stop. And personalty if I would tell someone who I was just chatting at the store with something then unless I have some reason not to I don't mind telling it to a cop. I also think cops are human and if they are dealing with someone who is trying to be helpful then they may go out of their way also. If trouble happens the I'll deal with it. I don't go looking for it.jimlongley wrote:Being polite and helpful does not include going over and above the law, for either side. The law, in TX, only requires you to present your CHL when carrying, no more, and any LEO that says different is violating that law and our rights and should be discouraged from doing that, such as being fired and moving on to WalMart. Far from giving them an excuse, doing more than the letter of the law, particularly at their (improper) insistance after you have followed the letter of the law, gives them an excuse to expect that from all of us. Just taking the easy way out and letting them get away with it is a betrayal of all of us.EEllis wrote:Yeah that will help me right then at that moment won't it. Not to mention why not be polite and helpful and try and make things quick and easy for everybody. For some people maybe everything is politics and principles but honestly most of the time I'm just trying to live life and keep moving. I don't need the drama.jimlongley wrote:If they need an excuse, then they need to be excused and find a job at WalMart.EEllis wrote:I would have my chl out as soon as I could get to it. Why give anyone an excuse.
In every interaction I have had with law enforcement since I got my CHL I have been helpful and polite, including the time I pointed out the the postings on the city's doors were not in accordance with the letter of the law, and the one time I got stopped, knowing I was going to be asked for ID, I even volunteered the information up front before the officer even had my ID, CHL, and insurance in his hand. There is a major difference between cooperation and surrender.
My original post was more to the point that in order to ask you for ID (and CHL) they should have a valid reason, and if they need an excuse, they do not have a valid reason, and are violating our rights.
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- Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:05 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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- Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:34 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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We don't have DWI checkpoints and if someone stops me for one then I will be raising heck because I know it's illegal. When I have gone thru a checkpoint it's been for something else and honestly except for the immigration ones I don't know what the checkpoint would even be for because I have never even been stopped. But in the cases where they have had them I had my stuff ready.E.Marquez wrote:Why, yes, yes it is about principles, and the law as written, and what society demands of citizens, which is adherence to the laws as written, and what the citizens (informed and contributing citizens anyway) demand is that those charged with enforcing said laws, actually follow them.EEllis wrote:For some people maybe everything is politics and principles but honestly most of the time I'm just trying to live life and keep moving. I don't need the drama.
It troubles me that so many are only concerned with how fast they can get through a unneeded DWI checkpoint that by all current research is not actually happening in TX legally, if at all. (still not seeing ANY supporting evidence, confirmed reports of a DWI checkpoint in the state of TX... Anyone????)
- Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:02 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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Yeah that will help me right then at that moment won't it. Not to mention why not be polite and helpful and try and make things quick and easy for everybody. For some people maybe everything is politics and principles but honestly most of the time I'm just trying to live life and keep moving. I don't need the drama.jimlongley wrote:If they need an excuse, then they need to be excused and find a job at WalMart.EEllis wrote:I would have my chl out as soon as I could get to it. Why give anyone an excuse.
- Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:07 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: DUI checkpoints and providing CHL
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JP171 wrote: which APD does in fact do
You know I was curious and did a search on the issue and have had no luck finding anything supporting the belief that APD does dui checkpoints. I found a case up in Round Rock where a small number of what might be cops were reported to have a checkpoint but the DA is investigating and no one knew what dept the officers were with or if in fact it they were even police at all. Everything I have read says it is illegal in Texas and there seems to be no dissenting opinions and no online reports of austin checkpoints. Heck I even checked youtube and except for some task force closing of I-35 there doesn't seem to be any clips of Austin checkpoints at all. If APD were doing these checkpoints I would expect to see some sign of it online.
- Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:00 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: DUI checkpoints and providing CHL
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Don't care. No need to say hello either but I do so. If I am stopped at a checkpoint I get ready. If I get waved thru fine. If they stop to talk then I do the courtesy of informing them that I'm armed and it also prevents situations where a cop gets bent out of shape because they were not informed. Sure I don't have to but so.E.Marquez wrote:
If they do not ask for ID, there is no need, requirement or reason to present a CHL.
- Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:59 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: DUI checkpoints and providing CHL
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Yep but rather than wait if it is in a checkpoint situation where they might not even ask for ID I would get ahead of it rather than wait for someone to ask. Then if I have an issue with anything officers can'[t use the timing of my production of my chl against me.MasterOfNone wrote:An excuse for what? Texas law is clear that the CHL must be displayed when ID is demanded.EEllis wrote:I would have my chl out as soon as I could get to it. Why give anyone an excuse.
- Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:06 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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You know the cop was being sarcastic right?Dirthawking wrote:I would love to see the un edited version of that video. You can see that it jumps around in spots. Specifically when the two officers are talking and the one says the kid is innocent and knows his rights.
- Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:28 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: DUI checkpoints and providing CHL
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I would have my chl out as soon as I could get to it. Why give anyone an excuse.